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Post by Guest on Mar 2, 2006 11:19:23 GMT -5
Think you need to take a step back and stop throwing a blanket over everyone. I think you can follow your own advice. If you are truly questioning, then don't come to a conclusion that God really didn't tell the Prophetess to do this. Sit back and watch and pray! Wasn't God calling you off the board to go into your next season (many times)? As Misskay says it's a replica. Not the actual ark. You recognize that don't you? Okay If you seen the conference in 2003, she did the exact same demonstration (minus the horses). It was an accurate illustration. The horses will bring the "replica" to the Dome. I think it's wonderful that God will be recognized in the city this day no matter how crazy it may seem. Giants, you just said a mouthful and I totally agree.But if we can come because of Christ, then we should be living as he lived. We can come because of the shed blood of Christ, but Paul also tells us to put off the old man daily. We are to walk holy daily as he is holy and the pattern is in the tabernacle. Jesus is the door into each part of the tabernacle. JB emplained this. And as ones covered in the blood, we should walk likewise as his disciples. So many Christians are carnal and come any kind of way "in the name of Jesus". I don't live right to be holy, I live right because I've been made righteous. Because I've been made right I can daily cleanse in the word and sacrifice my wil (aspects of the tabernacle principles). You have a right to question, but can you open your spirit up to be receptive if I did explain what is taught? We're telling you all to read the suggested books. If the "horses" is messing some of you up, GET OVER IT! It's just a demonstration. However, recognizing the spiritual significance of the demonstration is something God can honor and he will do the miraculous. It's not about Juanita Bynum. But you are questioning her conference and it haven't taken place. But you all questioned MegaFest also. Stop hating!  |
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Post by MsKayLander on Mar 2, 2006 11:20:25 GMT -5
One question. The ark was not supposed to drawn by horses and carriages correct  ? when the ark traveled in the OT... what did it travel on??? |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 2, 2006 11:23:11 GMT -5
wow, the tension!
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Post by MsKayLander on Mar 2, 2006 11:33:51 GMT -5
In fact if my memory serves me correct the very reason David left the ark at the threshing floor was because he had transported it in a way God said NOT to and a man died because of it.
You claim there is no flaw in the teaching but nothing has actually been taught yet and I pray there is no flaw in the teaching at all ( and I dont believe there will be ).
No, that is not true... it was touched...
read in Numbers.. chart the wanderings and when the ark was moved... Kohath was the tribe was responsible for moving the Most Holy Things which included the ark... (Numbers 4)
Moses was given wagons and oxen to carry the furniture... (Numbers 7) talks about when the ark was moved on a cart carried by oxen...
Once the ark came in to the camp, the Levites carried it upon the shoulders...
As long as she is pointing to Jesus... it doesn't matter if she replicates the OT form of worship... show us the ceremony of what was done, but show us Jesus... I don't care who does it... just don't take Christ out of the picture... point us to Christ, don't dwell completely in the OT and not tie it in to Jesus...
My Pastor does an in-depth class on the OT worship ESPECIALLY the tabernacle...
What is scary about this??? I know alot of churches/Pastors that demonstrate biblical events with lots of pomp and pagentry... Easter plays, Christmas plays and the like... so again, what is the issue with this?
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Post by MsKayLander on Mar 2, 2006 11:35:52 GMT -5
ASWSOY... you are too funny...  |
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Post by Nikkol on Mar 2, 2006 11:41:59 GMT -5
It is a sad day when the way God is recognized is based off a replica of the ark versus with demonstration of the Spirit and of Power
The part in bold is the part that I'm not understanding. We are the temple of God and the spirit of God dwells in the Believer.
Many are seeing that a lot of these conferences are being put together not for souls are for spiritual edification but rather for money purposes. You can't believe how many pamphlets, newsletters, flyers, etc. we recieve to tell us ways of getting people to give more money, etc. There are even articles that you could read to know what the best color for a church is, the best size, the best place to put everything, etc. I think that the main issue is for me, honestly, I think that it is a lowering of who God is by comparing Him to the Ark. Esp. for this dispensation. One of the great things about being saved is that we don't have to go to a particular place to worship God. For MANY of us on this board, we're Gentiles and because of what Christ did, we have been grafted in. So to state that due to the ark people will worship Jesus isn't part of the teaching of the apostles. People will worship Jesus only in spirit and in truth based on a relationship..... it's all about the motive. I believe that discussion has already been made about the "significance" (or lack thereof) of the "Catholic garbs". And then one could question what is the significance of the priests........... it's all about Jesus.
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Post by MsKayLander on Mar 2, 2006 11:51:15 GMT -5
Again Nikki...no one is taking away from Jesus and who He is and what He is for this dispensation... if we are not to study or know what's going on.. we should only have NT bibles... I think, the reality is this, the OT ark is the NT Jesus... all the types and symbols in the ark and how it was made points us not only to the cross but to Jesus... if you do a study, you will see Him and it only points to Jesus.. it doesn't lower Him at all.. if it didn't matter, WHY did he make the specifications for how it was done? This goes beyond JB or what she is doing.. that is not even the issue with me... the real issue is knowing the history of our brothers and sisters... we have been adopted and our brothers and sisters are Jews... they worshipped at the tabernacle... I'm just not seeing why this would be a bad thing or why studying who Jesus was in the OT is a bad thing?
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Post by livinganewlife on Mar 2, 2006 12:04:46 GMT -5
I think... way back over five pages ago... (smile)... I gave the web address for info on the tabernacle which included info on the ark and it's significance... I also listed a few books for those who desired to read.... I think this is being blown WAY out of proportion and whether we question it or not... we should really pray that GOD's will be done...and just like what happened in OT times when they touched the ark because of the significance of it during that time... will happen again... MissKay thank you for all of your scripture references and books you gave trying to assist those who are trying to understand this custom...... As for the GUEST, this topic is not about JBW and her conference..........please get over it and if you have anything of substance to add please do so and get over the fact that you assume someone is speaking ill of your AMERICAN IDOL!!!!!!! |
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Post by Beck on Mar 2, 2006 12:13:45 GMT -5
sheesh.. I tell ya... folks start talking about arks and horses and we get a good ol fashion stone throwing contest... LOL
I have to admit that Im a bit jaded by modern day church... Some stuff is just too deep for me, I would rather just hear Jesus and the liberty that he brings over some floor with a ark with horses pulling it... In my opinion the church hasnt learned the foundational things about how to love one another and live a godly lifestyle, but we are being Pacified with things we really doesnt add to our faith in Christ...
Pray for me and my jadedness...lol
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Post by livinganewlife on Mar 2, 2006 12:24:29 GMT -5
What is scary about this??? I know alot of churches/Pastors that demonstrate biblical events with lots of pomp and pagentry... Easter plays, Christmas plays and the like... so again, what is the issue with this? I really don't believe there is an issue per se, the concern maybe that bringing in an Ark for this age is out there and we are as believers of Christ no longer have to follow customs because JESUS fulfilled (changed) the customs: Acts 6:14 (KJV)
14For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us. |
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Post by MsKayLander on Mar 2, 2006 12:27:55 GMT -5
sheesh.. I tell ya... folks start talking about arks and horses and we get a good ol fashion stone throwing contest... LOL I have to admit that Im a bit jaded by modern day church... Some stuff is just too deep for me, I would rather just hear Jesus and the liberty that he brings over some floor with a ark with horses pulling it... In my opinion the church hasnt learned the foundational things about how to love one another and live a godly lifestyle, but we are being Pacified with things we really doesnt add to our faith in Christ... Pray for me and my jadedness...lol ;D we are praying for a WHOLE LOTTA stuff as far as you are concerned... ;D |
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Post by Beck on Mar 2, 2006 12:34:06 GMT -5
sheesh.. I tell ya... folks start talking about arks and horses and we get a good ol fashion stone throwing contest... LOL I have to admit that Im a bit jaded by modern day church... Some stuff is just too deep for me, I would rather just hear Jesus and the liberty that he brings over some floor with a ark with horses pulling it... In my opinion the church hasnt learned the foundational things about how to love one another and live a godly lifestyle, but we are being Pacified with things we really doesnt add to our faith in Christ... Pray for me and my jadedness...lol ;D we are praying for a WHOLE LOTTA stuff as far as you are concerned... ;D well at least I don't have to worry about your prayers coming to pass... the prayers of the righteous avails much... yours... I'm not so sure about...LOL! ;D   |
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Post by Giants DO Die ns on Mar 2, 2006 12:34:19 GMT -5
You know I started to write a response but realized that it wasnt really worth it.
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Post by Giants DO Die ns on Mar 2, 2006 12:35:55 GMT -5
In fact if my memory serves me correct the very reason David left the ark at the threshing floor was because he had transported it in a way God said NOT to and a man died because of it.
You claim there is no flaw in the teaching but nothing has actually been taught yet and I pray there is no flaw in the teaching at all ( and I dont believe there will be ). No, that is not true... it was touched... read in Numbers.. chart the wanderings and when the ark was moved... Kohath was the tribe was responsible for moving the Most Holy Things which included the ark... (Numbers 4) Moses was given wagons and oxen to carry the furniture... (Numbers 7) talks about when the ark was moved on a cart carried by oxen... Once the ark came in to the camp, the Levites carried it upon the shoulders... As long as she is pointing to Jesus... it doesn't matter if she replicates the OT form of worship... show us the ceremony of what was done, but show us Jesus... I don't care who does it... just don't take Christ out of the picture... point us to Christ, don't dwell completely in the OT and not tie it in to Jesus...
My Pastor does an in-depth class on the OT worship ESPECIALLY the tabernacle... What is scary about this??? I know alot of churches/Pastors that demonstrate biblical events with lots of pomp and pagentry... Easter plays, Christmas plays and the like... so again, what is the issue with this? Thank you for this post I am going to go read it myself to refresh my memory. |
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Post by Beck on Mar 2, 2006 12:37:00 GMT -5
You know I started to write a response but realized that it wasnt really worth it. that's sometimes the best thing to do bro... |
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