The Anointing

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Exodus 28:41And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office.


mashach {maw-shakh'}

1) to smear, anoint, spread a liquid

a) (Qal)

1) to smear

2) to anoint (as consecration)

3) to anoint, consecrate

b) (Niphal) to be anointed
www.blueletterbible.org

[Nikkol]

Does one have to be willing and/or crucify their flesh in order to be anointed by God?

[ybrown]

andsuchweresomeofu said:

I was on my way into work this morning, this thought came to mind:

The best way to determine what the anointing is, what the anointing is for etc. Is to take every scripture using the words anoint, anointed, anointest, anointing etc. and define it, and use it in it's proper context according to scripture.

Anything other than that may just be our opinion, though food for thought.

And Such, you asked for it. All forms of "anoint" appear in 154 verses: 135 times in the Old Testament and only 19 times in the New.

I'll list them when I post a little later, but biblically, we can say there is a definite direct connection between the Holy Spirit and the anointing and that the anointing and the person of the Holy Spirit cannot be separated. He is the One who enables all us to fulfill our ministries.

What's noteworthy is there aren't any scriptures on the anointing to support the idea of a "double-portion anointing." Neither does scripture speak on how to obtain the anointing, increase the anointing, or lose the anointing. And there is no such thing as different anointings, only different gifts which are all mentioned in Scripture.

[MsKayLander]

Read this and then tell me....

Luke 4
1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

2Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

3And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

13And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

14And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

15And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

[And Such Were Some Of You]

ybrown said:

andsuchweresomeofu said:

I was on my way into work this morning, this thought came to mind:

The best way to determine what the anointing is, what the anointing is for etc. Is to take every scripture using the words anoint, anointed, anointest, anointing etc. and define it, and use it in it's proper context according to scripture.

Anything other than that may just be our opinion, though food for thought.

And Such, you asked for it. All forms of "anoint" appear in 154 verses: 135 times in the Old Testament and only 19 times in the New.

I'll list them when I post a little later, but biblically, we can say there is a definite direct connection between the Holy Spirit and the anointing and that the anointing and the person of the Holy Spirit cannot be separated. He is the One who enables all us to fulfill our ministries.

What's noteworthy is there aren't any scriptures on the anointing to support the idea of a "double-portion anointing." Neither does scripture speak on how to obtain the anointing, increase the anointing, or lose the anointing. And there is no such thing as different anointings, only different gifts which are all mentioned in Scripture.

and thus my point!

[MsKayLander]

ybrown said:

andsuchweresomeofu said:

I was on my way into work this morning, this thought came to mind:

The best way to determine what the anointing is, what the anointing is for etc. Is to take every scripture using the words anoint, anointed, anointest, anointing etc. and define it, and use it in it's proper context according to scripture.

Anything other than that may just be our opinion, though food for thought.

And Such, you asked for it. All forms of "anoint" appear in 154 verses: 135 times in the Old Testament and only 19 times in the New.

I'll list them when I post a little later, but biblically, we can say there is a definite direct connection between the Holy Spirit and the anointing and that the anointing and the person of the Holy Spirit cannot be separated. He is the One who enables all us to fulfill our ministries.

What's noteworthy is there aren't any scriptures on the anointing to support the idea of a "double-portion anointing." Neither does scripture speak on how to obtain the anointing, increase the anointing, or lose the anointing. And there is no such thing as different anointings, only different gifts which are all mentioned in Scripture.

Didn't Elisha receive a double portion??? Also.. Aaron's sons were anointed, David was anointed, the articles in the tabernacle were anointed... those were all different... still for service, but for a different purpose....

[And Such Were Some Of You]

misskaylander said:

ybrown said:

And Such, you asked for it. All forms of "anoint" appear in 154 verses: 135 times in the Old Testament and only 19 times in the New.

I'll list them when I post a little later, but biblically, we can say there is a definite direct connection between the Holy Spirit and the anointing and that the anointing and the person of the Holy Spirit cannot be separated. He is the One who enables all us to fulfill our ministries.

What's noteworthy is there aren't any scriptures on the anointing to support the idea of a "double-portion anointing." Neither does scripture speak on how to obtain the anointing, increase the anointing, or lose the anointing. And there is no such thing as different anointings, only different gifts which are all mentioned in Scripture.

Didn't Elisha receive a double portion??? Also.. Aaron's sons were anointed, David was anointed, the articles in the tabernacle were anointed... those were all different... still for service, but for a different purpose....

and again, my point!

This is why it is so important to get the scriptures and in context. Anything else is just a "fancy sermon"...lol


And yes, Elisha did ask for a double portion of the anointing of Elijah- I was just about to post that part after I read ybrown's post - but you beat me to it.

[And Such Were Some Of You]

by the way...I didn't want a list of scriptures, as that would do us no good - but felt we should go with each scripture one by one. I already posted one.

[keita]

misskaylander said:

WHAT?!!! You mean that we have successfully discussed a point without getting upset and pulling denominational punches???!!! ;D

AMEN! And I am truly praising God for that!

I am really appreciating the way this discussion is going because I'm looking for some real questions and their straight up scriptural answers. I, for one, have had more than my fill of denominational rhetoric and mystical-sounding, but extrabiblical experiences and explanations.


So ASWSOY, I'm really with you in this approach

The best way to determine what the anointing is, what the anointing is for etc. Is to take every scripture using the words anoint, anointed, anointest, anointing etc. and define it, and use it in it's proper context according to scripture.

I'm beginning to do exactly that and could sure use some help.

As ybrown pointed out, it's a daunting task

All forms of "anoint" appear in 154 verses: 135 times in the Old Testament and only 19 times in the New.

and is a study which might not hold everybody's attention to the depth or degree that we're talking. But I do think it's possible for us all to maintain the focus of it. I'm hoping that anyone who is posting in answer to the many questions here will also provide a scriptural foundation.

...biblically, we can say there is a definite direct connection between the Holy Spirit and the anointing and that the anointing and the person of the Holy Spirit cannot be separated. He is the One who enables all us to fulfill our ministries.

Amen, ybrown, I'm discovering a connection too. But as we were talking about earlier, what is that connection?Are they really, as so many teach or at least imply, the same? If they are not, what is the difference?

What's noteworthy is there aren't any scriptures on the anointing to support the idea of a "double-portion anointing." Neither does scripture speak on how to obtain the anointing, increase the anointing, or lose the anointing. And there is no such thing as different anointings, only different gifts which are all mentioned in Scripture.

Noteworthy, indeed! This really speaks to a lot of what started me on this search. Teaching and preaching that includes a lot of these phrases (and may we add some others like being "under the anointing") just became really troublesome to me in their lack of scriptural evidence and clarity. I suspect that a lot of them have little, no, or largely misinterpreted scriptural bases.

[Jasmine nsi]

ybrown said:

andsuchweresomeofu said:

I was on my way into work this morning, this thought came to mind:

The best way to determine what the anointing is, what the anointing is for etc. Is to take every scripture using the words anoint, anointed, anointest, anointing etc. and define it, and use it in it's proper context according to scripture.

Anything other than that may just be our opinion, though food for thought.

And Such, you asked for it. All forms of "anoint" appear in 154 verses: 135 times in the Old Testament and only 19 times in the New.

I'll list them when I post a little later, but biblically, we can say there is a definite direct connection between the Holy Spirit and the anointing and that the anointing and the person of the Holy Spirit cannot be separated. He is the One who enables all us to fulfill our ministries.

What's noteworthy is there aren't any scriptures on the anointing to support the idea of a "double-portion anointing." Neither does scripture speak on how to obtain the anointing, increase the anointing, or lose the anointing. And there is no such thing as different anointings, only different gifts which are all mentioned in Scripture.

I Samuel 16:14

But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Did SAUL lose his anointing?

[keita]

See now, I think answering that question has everything to do with our understanding of what the "anointing" was/is in the context of Saul's life...

[keita]

Setting it off with the word "anoint"

andsuchweresomeofu said:

Exodus 28:41And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office.


{maw-shakh'}

1) to smear, anoint, spread a liquid

a) (Qal)

1) to smear

2) to anoint (as consecration)

3) to anoint, consecrate

b) (Niphal) to be anointed
www.blueletterbible.org

Here in this first usage, to "anoint" is an action done at God's direct command, as part of the formal preparation for the priesthood of ministry to God.



Exodus 29:7
Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour it upon his head, and anoint him.

Same usage of the word "anoint" (mashach). Now we see that there was an oil for this purpose which was literally and physically poured upon the head of a person who was chosen to enter the priesthood.

[Jasmine nsi]

It is my thought that being anointed goes much further than just being anointed to perform a task. I believe that saul destiny was fulfilled and was performed because he was anointed for that/those particular reason' (s).

However, If we lose the favour of God, have we also lost his anointing?

I got my pen and pad to learn something new!

[ybrown]

andsuchweresomeofu said:

misskaylander said:

Didn't Elisha receive a double portion??? Also.. Aaron's sons were anointed, David was anointed, the articles in the tabernacle were anointed... those were all different... still for service, but for a different purpose....

and again, my point!

This is why it is so important to get the scriptures and in context. Anything else is just a "fancy sermon"...lol


And yes, Elisha did ask for a double portion of the anointing of Elijah- I was just about to post that part after I read ybrown's post - but you beat me to it.

Come on with it, I knew somebody was going to bring that one up and yes, that’s what I was taught too! But read the scripture again with its proper context. It says:

2 Kings 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy SPIRIT be upon me.

Elisha asked for a double portion of Elijah's spirit. He did not ask for a double portion of his anointing. Now I checked ten different versions of the bible and EVERY single one of them say SPIRIT, not ANOINTING (I did see one that used "power"). These are two completely different words in the Hebrew. If he had meant anointing, he would have said it.

That scripture is in reference to the law in Deuteronomy 21:17 which says He shall acknowledge the first-born, by giving him a DOUBLE PORTION of all that he hath-the right of the first-born is his. This refers to the man's inheritance which was always bequeathed to his heir. Elisha considered himself the only child or first-born of Elijah, as the disciples of eminent teachers were called their children; so here he claims a double portion of his spiritual influence, any other disciples coming in for a single share only. Sons of the prophets means no more than the disciples or scholars of the prophets.

And Deuteronomy 21:17 supports this with: But he shall acknowledge the firstborn, the son of the unloved, by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the beginning of his strength; to him belongs the right of the firstborn.

Implying that Elisha asked for a double portion of anointing is reading something into the scripture that just isn’t there.

[keita]

TEACH!