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Post by Beck on May 8, 2006 14:00:38 GMT -5
Good gracious....  I am going to delete what I said so this will not be fodder... Knowing history is good for you if you already have knowledge of what is contained in the 66 books... if I don't even know that... everything else outside of that would be information overload... AGAIN I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about it or we should put a disclaimer on what we say.. but we should be mindful of how we distribute information.... everybody ain't where you (general) are.... After this....  yeah.. I can dig it sista! |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 8, 2006 14:05:19 GMT -5
Misskay, please do not delete what I consider a valid comment/question.
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Post by Beck on May 8, 2006 14:07:59 GMT -5
yeah no need to delete it... If you delete it we would have to delete our responses as well...LOL and THATS to much work sista...
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 8, 2006 14:24:04 GMT -5
amen Beck, amen! LOL
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Post by ybrown on May 8, 2006 14:26:45 GMT -5
The intent of this thread is for each one to research on their own because there is deception running rampant in the church. Churchianity has taken over Christianity, that is why I began the topic the way I did. I didn't want to just rattle off things. The discussion was to unfold itself and for those for whom revelation and knowledge was to come, would participate. I don't want anyone choking, but I also don't want anyone dying from a lack of sustainable food, either! I see an awful lot of grown folks here, but I do appreciate a sense of balance.  |
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Post by krazeeboi on May 8, 2006 14:33:16 GMT -5
KB, steeples that sit atop a lot of our churches have a similar origin to that of the structures they rest upon, but out of respect for Miss Kay and those that are not ready or want to hear this, I’ll say this: The steeple resembles an instrument that many of us use – a pencil. If you go to any good dictionary worth its salt and look up pencil, you’ll be surprised at what the origin of the word is; which is also compatible with the origin of steeple. Some interesting info from Wikipedia: Steeples generally cap bell or clock towers. Towers were not a part of Christian churches until about AD 600, when they were adapted from military watchtowers. At first they were fairly modest and entirely separate structures from churches. Over time, they were incorporated into the church building and capped with ever-more elaborate roofs until the steeple resulted.
A common myth claims that the steeple is based in earlier Pagan architecture. It is said that the Pagan steeple was originally constructed to symbolize the male phallus. This completely incorrect idea is rooted in anti-Roman Catholic author Alexander Hislop's general attempt to dismiss Catholicism as paganism in disguise, as described in his 1858 book " The Two Babylons, or The Papal Worship Proved to Be the Worship of Nimrod and His Wife." While Hislop did not claim steeples are pagan in origin, his follower Ralph Woodrow did in his own 1966 book "Babylon Mystery Religion." Woodrow has since recanted his claims, which had no evidence to support them anyway.
Towers are a common element of religious architecture worldwide, and are generally viewed as attempts to reach skyward toward the gods. Freudians may also see some phallic subtexts in all such structures, but this is different from claiming direct evolution from phallic objects. What I was trying to say is that symbols in the absence of an understanding of their meaning are absolutely useless. Being that most people have no earthly idea about particular architectural/art symbols (which is what most are), in what way can we be said to be influenced by them today? A symbol has no power in and of itself--WE give it power by assigning meaning to it, and if that meaning is not understood, or is lost, then in what way can it be said to have influence or power? |
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Post by Nikkol on May 8, 2006 14:36:09 GMT -5
I have perused the posts. I will be discussing this issue with the mods at the appropriate time to see what we think would be best for all involved........ In the meantime, back to the topic at hand.............
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Post by kanyon on May 8, 2006 14:52:18 GMT -5
I have read worse things than this on the board. I really dont see what the big stink is... lol. Sorry Mod's:P Yeah.. we couldgo back to talking about thongs and flying wigs.. ;D |
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Post by Beck on May 8, 2006 14:58:59 GMT -5
I have read worse things than this on the board. I really dont see what the big stink is... lol. Sorry Mod's:P Yeah.. we couldgo back to talking about thongs and flying wigs.. ;D Kanyon you almost got me fired for laughing so loud...LOL LOL LOL!!!  ;D |
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Post by kanyon on May 8, 2006 15:00:27 GMT -5
ybrown, If indeed you were/are led of the Lord in this matter - then I would suggest that you continue the discussion. However, I do understand the point that misskay is making. No, we are not to turn our head at such matters but we also cannot force it upon anyone (not saying that you are). Maybe we should have a different forum for this type of "deeper revelatory knowledge (lol)" and another forum for "Simply the Basics". This way one is responsible for the forums they choose to go into - instead of the general "what's on your mind", which is basically a free for all. Nikkol, Kanyon?? Some of our subject areas are so 'deeep' we can't find them anymore. Two rules when I started the forum... freedom and mutual respect. My only concern is that we should have more members. Invite all your friends and enemies over here.  The 'other forum' was over moderated as felt by some. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 8, 2006 15:18:22 GMT -5
I have read worse things than this on the board. I really dont see what the big stink is... lol. Sorry Mod's:P Yeah.. we couldgo back to talking about thongs and flying wigs.. ;D Which were valid questions for some - especially those that go to the many "do/don't do" churches. |
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Post by Beck on May 8, 2006 15:25:19 GMT -5
Yeah.. we couldgo back to talking about thongs and flying wigs.. ;D Which were valid questions for some - especially those that go to the many "do/don't do" churches. which is why we shouldnt move this thread... because its valid to some. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 8, 2006 16:36:50 GMT -5
I wasn't saying that the thread should be deleted but moved to an area that is better suited for it. However, none of it matters now as I have washed my hands of the matter.
Blessings!
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Post by ybrown on May 9, 2006 9:07:40 GMT -5
Some interesting info from Wikipedia: Steeples generally cap bell or clock towers. Towers were not a part of Christian churches until about AD 600, when they were adapted from military watchtowers. At first they were fairly modest and entirely separate structures from churches. Over time, they were incorporated into the church building and capped with ever-more elaborate roofs until the steeple resulted.
A common myth claims that the steeple is based in earlier Pagan architecture. It is said that the Pagan steeple was originally constructed to symbolize the male phallus. This completely incorrect idea is rooted in anti-Roman Catholic author Alexander Hislop's general attempt to dismiss Catholicism as paganism in disguise, as described in his 1858 book " The Two Babylons, or The Papal Worship Proved to Be the Worship of Nimrod and His Wife." While Hislop did not claim steeples are pagan in origin, his follower Ralph Woodrow did in his own 1966 book "Babylon Mystery Religion." Woodrow has since recanted his claims, which had no evidence to support them anyway.
Towers are a common element of religious architecture worldwide, and are generally viewed as attempts to reach skyward toward the gods. Freudians may also see some phallic subtexts in all such structures, but this is different from claiming direct evolution from phallic objects. I’ve never heard of any of those books or their authors, but I would say that Hislop (since his book is the earlier of the two) traced the structure back to ancient Egypt, which is where the origin of steeples and their attached tall structures first established their root. So, the origin doesn’t come from an 1858 book; rather, the 1858 book traced the origin of its subject back to ancient Egypt. After Babel, we gave up constructing towers until around the year 1000 when we tried to copy, surprisingly enough, the Muslims and their temple at Damascus. At the time the Muslims were seen as edgy and modern and we wanted to be just like them, so we began to build the same types of structures. The only thing we changed was instead of having a person call out to prayer, we added bells to do the calling and then called our structures bell towers. The Muslims got the practice from the Romans who would construct such structures for their pagan gods. Prior to that the earliest of such structures were obelisks in Egypt. Ignorance of the practices or the meaning behind the practices means nothing when God warns against such, like He does in Mark 7:7: 7 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching [as their] doctrines the precepts of men.
8 Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.
9 And he said unto them, Full well do ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your tradition. Nobody has to take my word for anything. All anyone has to do is pray for understanding, revelation and knowledge about what the Heavenly Father requires. Each of us will stand before God and any one of us will have a difficult time explaining how much time we wasted in vain things because we allowed the traditions of man to prevail. We've got to wake up and know what it is. |
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Post by Beck on May 9, 2006 11:29:29 GMT -5
So YB... What should people do?
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I am going to delete what I said so this will not be fodder... 
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