Oh, the image...

[anointedteacher]

I've been trying to catch up with this post. I skipped through most of the post and I think the information is Good.... We need to learn as much as possible to walk in truth. I understand what Misskay saying, but at the same time I think the babe in Christ need the information so they will have a strong foundation and know what is of God and what not.

Most of us come on the board with hard meat and forget there are some that can get choke. Babe can eat meat if you break down into small tiny pieces so it can be digested.

There are many image we have right in our homes that are consider as gods, such as the frog, Owl, elephant, the sun god, African mask and other mask, etc. These images are open door to demonic spirits in our home.

I Konw KB say there no power in them.... These items would have never been worshipped if there was no demonic power manifested from them. The same demons that operated in these items back in Egypt, India, etc. exist today still operating in those images that it is assigned to.

I know this is a hard saying and most don't see it that way, but I had to learn this as a babe in Christ to war against demonic attack. Most of us need to do a housing cleaning.

I hope I didn't throw anyone off... because you was talking about the images on churches, I think we should check our homes as well.

AT

[ybrown]

elderbeck said:

So YB... What should people do?

Beck, God wanted this to be put in the forefront for some of His elect for a reason. One of my charges was to identify the problem. For those whom this mustard seed was for, including myself, we pray and wait for the provision because wherever the assignment is, provision always follow. He doesn't just give us knowledge or insight for ourselves.

Personally, I know that on the road that God has me on, I will not project or employ these false ideas of Churchianity to the world that I influence. I want to show Christianity as God originally intended.

This is also an illustration that deception is rampid and that each of us have got to remain diligent and continue to study to show ourselves approved.

[krazeeboi]

ybrown said:

Ignorance of the practices or the meaning behind the practices means nothing when God warns against such, like He does in Mark 7:7:

7 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching [as their] doctrines the precepts of men.
8 Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.
9 And he said unto them, Full well do ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your tradition.

Nobody has to take my word for anything. All anyone has to do is pray for understanding, revelation and knowledge about what the Heavenly Father requires. Each of us will stand before God and any one of us will have a difficult time explaining how much time we wasted in vain things because we allowed the traditions of man to prevail.

We've got to wake up and know what it is.

What a minute, I think the script has been flipped now. I was talking about symbols, and now you throw practices into the picture. What practices are you referring to?

[krazeeboi]

anointedteacher said:

I Konw KB say there no power in them.... These items would have never been worshipped if there was no demonic power manifested from them. The same demons that operated in these items back in Egypt, India, etc. exist today still operating in those images that it is assigned to.

Hold on now, let me clarify. I said nothing about animalistic deities. I was referring to a few of the symbolic structures present in our society, such as steeples which are phallic symbols, not representative of some false god. Furthermore, I will say like Paul said: an idol is nothing.

[ybrown]

krazeeboi said:

ybrown said:

Ignorance of the practices or the meaning behind the practices means nothing when God warns against such, like He does in Mark 7:7:

7 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching [as their] doctrines the precepts of men.
8 Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.
9 And he said unto them, Full well do ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your tradition.

Nobody has to take my word for anything. All anyone has to do is pray for understanding, revelation and knowledge about what the Heavenly Father requires. Each of us will stand before God and any one of us will have a difficult time explaining how much time we wasted in vain things because we allowed the traditions of man to prevail.

We've got to wake up and know what it is.

What a minute, I think the script has been flipped now. I was talking about symbols, and now you throw practices into the picture. What practices are you referring to?

The adoption of such symbols over the last 40-60 generations are practices. The hanging of the pictures, even the worshipping of the pictures, the constructing of the churches, the incorporating of pagan symbols, etc., are all practices of men. We haven’t even gone into the other rituals and practices. We’re only talking about the symbols at this point, so I'm not sure what you're seeing as being flipped.

[krazeeboi]

Worshipping pictures? I didn't know we were talking about the Orthodox church here, which reverences icons. And for what it's worth, megachurch architecture is known for its departure from traditional church architecture--hence, the lack of steeples, stained-glass windows, even crosses.

[ybrown]

krazeeboi said:

And for what it's worth, megachurch architecture is known for its departure from traditional church architecture--hence, the lack of steeples, stained-glass windows, even crosses.

That's the good thing in all of this.

[auneeqsol]

IMHO I really think that God does not "charge" us to some things. The grace of God goes a LOOOOOONG way yall. All of these things that have been posted on here, to be honest I have little knowledge of this. Now do you really think God looks at this as we are losing the battle because we are supposedly being decieved, serving other gods, or ignorantly worshipping idols or all of the above and more?
Where is the heart? If our hearts are towards God then God knows the very intentions of the heart , the bible says he weighs it. Now maybe we as western world christians have been complacent in our witness and ferver in representing the kingdom to a "T" but to have to go back and study all of this and keep up with the dates and times and the origin of this and that (not bashing those who study because I'm one) to me is a bit much, and has nothing to do with our getting "into" heaven or being approved by God. Now im not saying that the info is not good, but it seems as if some are making it out to be like the body of Christ is shamed because of these things.

Some aspects of things the average christian just doesnt think about. I mean who thinks about the fact that a picture of Jesus looks like a greek god? All ppl know is that this picture depicts Jesus. And that is all that matters to them, and they go on being free in the things of God, they are not bound by thoughts or ideas. I mean to say that Christians are affected or will be judged by God (not gearing this towards anyone in specific, but just addressing the gist of the discussion) for these ignorant practices etc is like saying the things of man or the adversary are more overpowering and meaningful having an impact more than the work that Christ did on the cross to set man free and reconcile them back to God by faith through grace. I mean thats what I see.

I think Paul sums it up best:

1 Cor 8:1-8 :"Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2-And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3- But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
4- As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one.
5- For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6- But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
7- Howbeit [there is] not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat [it] as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
8- But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

And most of all these things dont reflect one's status of right standing with the father. For the one who makes it thier own fight, so be it but for the one who pays it no attention so be it to.

Rom 14:17-For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
vs.-18 For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God, and approved of men.

And thats what it boils down to, just operating in the things of God, and not FOCUSING and making a movement out of what the church is NOT catching on to, and the things we have let slip in from hundreds of years ago that no one had control over, and that we didnt have anything to do with as of today...lol
Like I said this is all my opinion i can stand corrected if need be.


" Where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty." And the spirit abides within YOU.

[ybrown]

auneeqsol said:

IMHO I really think that God does not "charge" us to some things. The grace of God goes a LOOOOOONG way yall. All of these things that have been posted on here, to be honest I have little knowledge of this. Now do you really think God looks at this as we are losing the battle because we are supposedly being decieved, serving other gods, or ignorantly worshipping idols or all of the above and more?
Where is the heart? If our hearts are towards God then God knows the very intentions of the heart , the bible says he weighs it. Now maybe we as western world christians have been complacent in our witness and ferver in representing the kingdom to a "T" but to have to go back and study all of this and keep up with the dates and times and the origin of this and that (not bashing those who study because I'm one) to me is a bit much, and has nothing to do with our getting "into" heaven or being approved by God. Now im not saying that the info is not good, but it seems as if some are making it out to be like the body of Christ is shamed because of these things.

Some aspects of things the average christian just doesnt think about. I mean who thinks about the fact that a picture of Jesus looks like a greek god? All ppl know is that this picture depicts Jesus. And that is all that matters to them, and they go on being free in the things of God, they are not bound by thoughts or ideas. I mean to say that Christians are affected or will be judged by God (not gearing this towards anyone in specific, but just addressing the gist of the discussion) for these ignorant practices etc is like saying the things of man or the adversary are more overpowering and meaningful having an impact more than the work that Christ did on the cross to set man free and reconcile them back to God by faith through grace. I mean thats what I see.

I think Paul sums it up best:

1 Cor 8:1-8 :"Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2-And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3- But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
4- As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one.
5- For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6- But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
7- Howbeit [there is] not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat [it] as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
8- But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

And most of all these things dont reflect one's status of right standing with the father. For the one who makes it thier own fight, so be it but for the one who pays it no attention so be it to.

Rom 14:17-For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
vs.-18 For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God, and approved of men.

And thats what it boils down to, just operating in the things of God, and not FOCUSING and making a movement out of what the church is NOT catching on to, and the things we have let slip in from hundreds of years ago that no one had control over, and that we didnt have anything to do with as of today...lol
Like I said this is all my opinion i can stand corrected if need be.


" Where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty." And the spirit abides within YOU.

The thread overall is about deception. And you're correct, it has nothing to do with salvation. It wasn't for everyone; only disciples and Sons and Daughters that are called to do more than just go to heaven.

[Jasmine]

ALL God's Sons and daughters are called to do more than Go to heaven.

[Jasmine]

auneeqsol said:

IMHO I really think that God does not "charge" us to some things. The grace of God goes a LOOOOOONG way yall. All of these things that have been posted on here, to be honest I have little knowledge of this. Now do you really think God looks at this as we are losing the battle because we are supposedly being decieved, serving other gods, or ignorantly worshipping idols or all of the above and more?
Where is the heart? If our hearts are towards God then God knows the very intentions of the heart , the bible says he weighs it. Now maybe we as western world christians have been complacent in our witness and ferver in representing the kingdom to a "T" but to have to go back and study all of this and keep up with the dates and times and the origin of this and that (not bashing those who study because I'm one) to me is a bit much, and has nothing to do with our getting "into" heaven or being approved by God. Now im not saying that the info is not good, but it seems as if some are making it out to be like the body of Christ is shamed because of these things.

Some aspects of things the average christian just doesnt think about. I mean who thinks about the fact that a picture of Jesus looks like a greek god? All ppl know is that this picture depicts Jesus. And that is all that matters to them, and they go on being free in the things of God, they are not bound by thoughts or ideas. I mean to say that Christians are affected or will be judged by God (not gearing this towards anyone in specific, but just addressing the gist of the discussion) for these ignorant practices etc is like saying the things of man or the adversary are more overpowering and meaningful having an impact more than the work that Christ did on the cross to set man free and reconcile them back to God by faith through grace. I mean thats what I see.

I think Paul sums it up best:

1 Cor 8:1-8 :"Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2-And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3- But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
4- As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one.
5- For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6- But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
7- Howbeit [there is] not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat [it] as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
8- But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

And most of all these things dont reflect one's status of right standing with the father. For the one who makes it thier own fight, so be it but for the one who pays it no attention so be it to.

Rom 14:17-For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
vs.-18 For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God, and approved of men.

And thats what it boils down to, just operating in the things of God, and not FOCUSING and making a movement out of what the church is NOT catching on to, and the things we have let slip in from hundreds of years ago that no one had control over, and that we didnt have anything to do with as of today...lol
Like I said this is all my opinion i can stand corrected if need be.


" Where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty." And the spirit abides within YOU.

Your not the only one with such an opinion. Great Post!

[auneeqsol]

I'm sorry i hope my reply didnt come off as offensive or naive. I was really making the point of not just that we should focus on going to heaven, but I was sort of saying , is it "God" that we go and dig up all this info and history just to make a point that we as the church are not doing "this" and 'that" to the "T"?

Is it possible that we can do all of this and find every scroll of info on the early church practices versus what we're doing now, or the chronicles of what Adam and Eve did versus what we practice now? And I really asking was it really necessary? To me thats just like ppl saying , pray for peace to come to the earth (before Christ comes to reign) Peace is not coming to the earth, things arent going to get better.I think thats unnecessary unless it can make a real impact or difference in "christianity" or how we can share to the world to save those that are lost.

Like i said earlier im not knocking info becasue knowledge is good. What i am saying is, is it really that deep to God? Im just wondering, are we required to hold these findings up and declare that we have been doing wrong and that we should start walking in the true truth? I mean which is it? What position does this put us in with God?

[ybrown]

auneeqsol said:

I'm sorry i hope my reply didnt come off as offensive or naive. I was really making the point of not just that we should focus on going to heaven, but I was sort of saying , is it "God" that we go and dig up all this info and history just to make a point that we as the church are not doing "this" and 'that" to the "T"?

Is it possible that we can do all of this and find every scroll of info on the early church practices versus what we're doing now, or the chronicles of what Adam and Eve did versus what we practice now? And I really asking was it really necessary? To me thats just like ppl saying , pray for peace to come to the earth (before Christ comes to reign) Peace is not coming to the earth, things arent going to get better.I think thats unnecessary unless it can make a real impact or difference in "christianity" or how we can share to the world to save those that are lost.

Like i said earlier im not knocking info becasue knowledge is good. What i am saying is, is it really that deep to God? Im just wondering, are we required to hold these findings up and declare that we have been doing wrong and that we should start walking in the true truth? I mean which is it? What position does this put us in with God?

If the thread is not for you (general), then it is not for you. Follow your calling. Whatever He calls you to do, He'll give you what's necessary to accomplish it and there won't be that sense of hopeless in the task.

Is it that deep to God? That's a conversation between you and God.

[auneeqsol]

Not to say its not for me.....im not a babe in Christ I was simply saying I understand that the great commission is to present the gospel to mankind that they may be saved, and to build the kingdom, I was just saying what category does this fall under as being essential to believers? I dont mean to make it sound like a light thing, because truth is truth and the truth will make you free. All im saying is , Overall is God as concerned with this as we are or you are? Is it a no no in the book? Will it be a mark against us if we dont know the history of the symbols and pictures and architectural structures we have today in our churches or homes? If our hearts are towards God then arent we covered under Grace with such things? I guess Im getting to this.....concerning this topic or situation....can the phrase "what you dont know CAN hurt you" be applicable?

[ybrown]

auneeqsol said:

Not to say its not for me.....im not a babe in Christ I was simply saying I understand that the great commission is to present the gospel to mankind that they may be saved, and to build the kingdom, I was just saying what category does this fall under as being essential to believers? I dont mean to make it sound like a light thing, because truth is truth and the truth will make you free. All im saying is , Overall is God as concerned with this as we are or you are? Is it a no no in the book? Will it be a mark against us if we dont know the history of the symbols and pictures and architectural structures we have today in our churches or homes? If our hearts are towards God then arent we covered under Grace with such things? I guess Im getting to this.....concerning this topic or situation....can the phrase "what you dont know CAN hurt you" be applicable?

Upholding an image of a false god, as big as that is, is just the tip of the iceberg. I’m discovering that man has changed so much that the Church looks NOTHING like what God originally wanted or wants. Some of it is about symbols and such, but most of it is in terms of false doctrines that we’ve also continued throughout the generations.

The acceptance of pagan symbols is just symbolic of other things that we’ve ridiculously adopted. That’s part of the reason why the institution of Christianity is attacked so much. We often tell a history riddled with paganism and not that of the true Christ.

Auneeqsol, if this issue doesn’t concern you then why won’t you let it go? It seems to bother you. I can feel you, because it bothers me too. Your decision to take up or not take up this issue has nothing to do with being a babe in Christ.

It’s about a calling and not everyone is called for this particular subject. If you are then God wants you to know this information for you to bring it forth when He opens a door or presents an opportunity to do so.

It’s not about stopping attendance at your church if your church has these pictures hung or looks like one of those structures. It’s not even about taking a bullhorn on the streets and shouting the truth, or going around ripping out pictures and high-jacking bulldozers to tear down structures. You’d look crazy doing that. I’d look crazy doing that. They’d label us religious zealots on the evening news as they told the story of how we were arrested!

God will present the opportunity if He’s calling you keep this information in mind for future use. Again, I say have the conversation with our Father and He’ll tell you whether or not you should drop it or take it up. I’m sure He’ll bring it up to you later if He told you personally to do something with it and you didn’t, just like He’ll do with all the other times you’ve disobeyed Him (like us all. lol).

You never know, He could be using it as a catalyst for YOU to dig even deeper. ;D

But otherwise, don’t sweat it because if it’s not your cup of tea, then it’s not your cup of tea and it’s God who gives us our cups of tea.

Is this a mark against the Church. Absolutely.

Will that stop any of us heaven-bound folk from going to heaven? Not at all.

And yes, I agree, God is sooo gracious and full of grace. That’s what keeps us from being punished for our ignorance. And His neverending supply of grace is one of the reasons why He’s so endearing and beautiful.