Can women be pastors/preachers

[Beck]

1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1st Timothy 2:11-12 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1st Corinthians 11:1-3 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1st Timothy 3:1 Timothy This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

I just wanted to give a few passages that many use to say that women cant be pastors.. I'm sure there are others, but I want to just get a general understanding of why people say its against the word of God to have women pastors. Today I was told I was in sin because I believe that women can proclaim God's word to a man and a woman...LOL. but I just want to get everyone's views concerning this issue.( please lets keep it without being offensive.

[stillfocused]

I will come back to this later..to answer briefly...yes, women can be and are Pastors and preachers. If Christ is the giver of these gifts..why would he overlook women ? That would be contrary to message he gave to the prophet Joel...found in Joel 2:28-29.

[Jasmine nsi]

I believe it all goes back to that women are to take a lessor authoritive role. Men are to set the example regarding spiritual leadership since God has ordained the man as head. Headship begins with God, Man then woman.

Now I am not a woman pastor basher, and I will be the first to say, Girl do what God has told you to do, but is it biblical. To say that woman are not supposed to be pastors would mean that there are alot of women disobeying and in sin.

I do know this, the only thing women in the bible are restricted from is having authority over men.

[Jasmine nsi]

stillfocused said:

I will come back to this later..to answer briefly...yes, women can be and are Pastors and preachers. If Christ is the giver of these gifts..why would he overlook women ? That would be contrary to message he gave to the prophet Joel...found in Joel 2:28-29.

That's not necessarily true. Joel 2 says that i will pour my spirit upon all flesh, and your son's and daughters shall prophecy. Having a gift of Prophecy doesn't mean you have been called to Pastor.

Gifts and Callings are different. God gives us gifts to assist us while walking in our calling.

For example: I have the gift of helps, this will go hand in hand in the area God has called me to..the homeless, which goes hand in hand with my ministry of outreach.

We all know that God has not overlooked women in the Gift department. We all have been given gifts.

However being a pastor is not a gift. Its a call.

[krazeeboi]

Oh lawd, is it time for this topic to rear its ugly head again?

[ElderBeck NS]

krazeeboi said:

Oh lawd, is it time for this topic to rear its ugly head again?

Prayerfully, this topic won't turn ugly. Im really am interested in hearing each side point of view respectfully... If people can't respectfully share their views and respect other people views then I hope they have enough of the Love of Christ to just hold off on posting in the thread.

If anyone would like to share your views on pastoring without getting into a debat you can email me or post your views on my message board on my website.

www.victorychristianctr.org or [e-mail]

Thanks.

[Nikkol]

I think that woman can have a pastorship role as long as they are married and therefore have someone who is over them. (but I think that for either sex in a pastorship role they should be married and have children... based on scriptures mentioned above) I usually look at this as the setup in some churches where both husband and wife are pastors or the wife is a pastor while the husband is a bishop. I think the role of women and men in ministry should be different and in scripture we know that the role of the women is to teach the women and also they taught the children while the men taught the men. Of course seeing it though a 21st century eye it seems "odd" but I think that there is truth in that and although it may be hard to understand, I think that it's still right. This of course is different from being a prophet(ess) in that if God is speaking whoever God is using should say what God is speaking and in ministry, it would never be wise to go in front of the congregation and just say what you want. But rather it should be what God is saying.

[elderbeck NSI]

electladynb said:

I think that woman can have a pastorship role as long as they are married and therefore have someone who is over them. (but I think that for either sex in a pastorship role they should be married and have children... based on scriptures mentioned above) I usually look at this as the setup in some churches where both husband and wife are pastors or the wife is a pastor while the husband is a bishop. I think the role of women and men in ministry should be different and in scripture we know that the role of the women is to teach the women and also they taught the children while the men taught the men. Of course seeing it though a 21st century eye it seems "odd" but I think that there is truth in that and although it may be hard to understand, I think that it's still right. This of course is different from being a prophet(ess) in that if God is speaking whoever God is using should say what God is speaking and in ministry, it would never be wise to go in front of the congregation and just say what you want. But rather it should be what God is saying.

you make some interesting points Nikkol, what about the people who say that if you have a husband and wife pastor and co-pastor leadership that its not biblical and that two heads is a monster? LOL

I have heard all kinds of things that is just funny.

[Nikkol]

I think that goes into the question: "Since when can a church only have one pastor?" Some people are better with youth, others with women, with men, etc. There is only one head and the last I heard His name was still Jesus. :-) If anything, there probably should be moreso the group of elders where all decisions are made by a group of people rather than just one. But honestly, as long as everyone understands their place in ministry, there should be no monster........ unless the pastor is the head of the church..........

elderbeck said:

electladynb said:

I think that woman can have a pastorship role as long as they are married and therefore have someone who is over them. (but I think that for either sex in a pastorship role they should be married and have children... based on scriptures mentioned above) I usually look at this as the setup in some churches where both husband and wife are pastors or the wife is a pastor while the husband is a bishop. I think the role of women and men in ministry should be different and in scripture we know that the role of the women is to teach the women and also they taught the children while the men taught the men. Of course seeing it though a 21st century eye it seems "odd" but I think that there is truth in that and although it may be hard to understand, I think that it's still right. This of course is different from being a prophet(ess) in that if God is speaking whoever God is using should say what God is speaking and in ministry, it would never be wise to go in front of the congregation and just say what you want. But rather it should be what God is saying.

you make some interesting points Nikkol, what about the people who say that if you have a husband and wife pastor and co-pastor leadership that its not biblical and that two heads is a monster? LOL

I have heard all kinds of things that is just funny.

[lanl ns]

Jasmine said:

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I do know this, the only thing women in the bible are restricted from is having authority over men.

Pastors are in authority over their congregations?

Congregations include men and women

[ATT]

Pastor is a gift as well as a calling and office in the church.... Jesus gave them to the church, it is not a choice that we awake one day and desire or decide to be. Nothing recorded in the Word that says they have to be male or female, marriage or single. I believe that we are called as the gift, but hidden in God still He is ready for us to go forth. I also believe that this gift must cbe trained and disciplined, before being place by man (The calling is given by Jesus) in position.

So the question shouldn't be "can a woman be a pastor?" but "Should one (male or female) appoint themselves to be a pastor and can man appoint a person into this office without Jesus giving them to the Church? Or do everybody answer to that calling and walk in it?" And the answer is NO.... When it come to fivefold ministry, five callings, five administrative offices, whatever you want to classify them (different people have different ways of classifying the gifts in Eph. 4:11) you don't choose or even desire these gift, Jesus is the one that choose and gave them to the church and is the one that will judge. He uses man to confirm and ordain a person into that position. We can desire to be a Bishop, a Elder and Deacon/ess, and be appointed by man for the work of the ministry. But Jesus is the one who appoint and anoint the office of a pastor.

ATT

[ATT]

Jasmine said:

I do know this, the only thing women in the bible are restricted from is having authority over men.

If I'm a single parent and my sons who live under my roof are young men... You mean I should not have authority over them and let them run my house?

I have to disagree with your statement.... I'm an apartment manager and have maintenance workers (men) working under me, do that mean I am in sin because I have authority over them.


Please explain

ATT

[And Such Were Some Of You]

I thought they were talking about "usurp-ing" authority which makes it a bit different - or am I missunderstanding the scripture?

[elderbeck NSI]

andsuchweresomeofu said:

I thought they were talking about "usurp-ing" authority which makes it a bit different - or am I missunderstanding the scripture?

share with us your views ASWSOY. what scripture are you talking about.

[Nikkol]

We are taught in scripture to train up our children.... that's the difference. Typically this would be as long as they lived at home.

ATT said:

Jasmine said:

I do know this, the only thing women in the bible are restricted from is having authority over men.

If I'm a single parent and my sons who live under my roof are young men... You mean I should not have authority over them and let them run my house?

I have to disagree with your statement.... I'm an apartment manager and have maintenance workers (men) working under me, do that mean I am in sin because I have authority over them.


Please explain

ATT