Birth Control

[ybrown]

andsuchweresomeofu said:

So, is planned parenthood of God? (I am just asking questions to see how other people think - in no way am I trying to get in other people's bedrooms).

Margaret Sanger created Planned Parenthood in order to stop the popluation growth of the Negro, with the explicit goal of essentially exterminating the the Negro race without them knowing it. This is just one of her many quotes that even inspired Hitler's methods of genocide, "We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population."

This organization's business and its revenue is generated by upholding Sanger's vision, that's why they continue to be the leading abortion provider in the United States. During a 25 year span, they generated almost $1 billion dollars in revenue just from abortions. It's their business. It's what they do. If they stop, that revenue stops and so does Margaret Sanger's goal.

Planned Parenthood provides 34 times more abortions than adoption referrals, and it provides ten times more abortions than prenatal services. The name "Planned Parenthood" is an absolute joke.

This org. has done and upheld so much evil over the past decades that it would make you shudder.

Are they of God? Not one bit.

[Beck]

jasmine said:

elderbeck said:

What about the women who for some reason arent allowed to have a baby or they will die, because there body just cant support a baby for 9 months... so she has to get her tubes tied or take birth control?

I believe that God gives us wisdom in all things. If a woman's body can't hold a baby for the full term, then would it be wise for her to "die" trying? Is that really God? Now, If God specifically told her that he would bring forth a child from her womb, then thats a promise worth holding on to. I know that the very God we serve would make good on his promise, as he is not a liar. I would stand on his promises despite what any man has said.

After my second child died, God promised me 2 children and He made good on his promise.

My experience is this: I have had 4 c-sections. I have 3 living children. My last pregnancy was painful. The pain is really undescribable. My lil "hamela" (anaya is her name) weighed 8 pds 4 oz. Every night I felt as if, I was just going to burst open.

During those times, I talked with my husband about having more children and we came to the conclusion we didn't want any more. Quite frankly, I didn't want any more. I would pray Lord, my body can't go through this again. I remember crying in the grocery store one day. It was hurting to walk. My bones was popping, that nerve that sits under the pelvic bone, was just ridiculous. I can say that bringing forth children is a beautiful thing, but it's something so risky that it can cause a woman to lose her life. (experience)

All i knew is that when I laid on the table this time to deliver my child, I look at my doctor and state while I was yet "open" do not close me up without having "fixed" me. He laughed, told me, He was already prepared. I said thank you Jesus and laid my head back on the table.

And till this day.. my soul says " Oh what Joy, Oh what Peace, Oh what happiness" about the decision that was made.

Wisdom. Only the Lord can give it.

To God Be The Glory for the Things he has done!

[livinganewlife]

ybrown said:

andsuchweresomeofu said:

So, is planned parenthood of God? (I am just asking questions to see how other people think - in no way am I trying to get in other people's bedrooms).

Margaret Sanger created Planned Parenthood in order to stop the popluation growth of the Negro, with the explicit goal of essentially exterminating the the Negro race without them knowing it. This is just one of her many quotes that even inspired Hitler's methods of genocide, "We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population."

This organization's business and its revenue is generated by upholding Sanger's vision, that's why they continue to be the leading abortion provider in the United States. During a 25 year span, they generated almost $1 billion dollars in revenue just from abortions. It's their business. It's what they do. If they stop, that revenue stops and so does Margaret Sanger's goal.

Planned Parenthood provides 34 times more abortions than adoption referrals, and it provides ten times more abortions than prenatal services. The name "Planned Parenthood" is an absolute joke.

This org. has done and upheld so much evil over the past decades that it would make you shudder.

Are they of God? Not one bit.

YBrown, I was going to mention this but so many times we on the BB are accused of bringing race into every topic that i decided to let it slide............

[And Such Were Some Of You]

ybrown said:

andsuchweresomeofu said:

So, is planned parenthood of God? (I am just asking questions to see how other people think - in no way am I trying to get in other people's bedrooms).

Margaret Sanger created Planned Parenthood in order to stop the popluation growth of the Negro, with the explicit goal of essentially exterminating the the Negro race without them knowing it. This is just one of her many quotes that even inspired Hitler's methods of genocide, "We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population."

This organization's business and its revenue is generated by upholding Sanger's vision, that's why they continue to be the leading abortion provider in the United States. During a 25 year span, they generated almost $1 billion dollars in revenue just from abortions. It's their business. It's what they do. If they stop, that revenue stops and so does Margaret Sanger's goal.

Planned Parenthood provides 34 times more abortions than adoption referrals, and it provides ten times more abortions than prenatal services. The name "Planned Parenthood" is an absolute joke.

This org. has done and upheld so much evil over the past decades that it would make you shudder.

Are they of God? Not one bit.

And this is exactly what I found during my research this weekend and why I posted what I did. It is not my desire to make this a "race" issue because that was not the motive behind my question, however the story speaks for itself.

Because of the history of planned parenthood and birth control, it caused me to stop and think about whether or not we as Christians should support such a thing. I know of a Christian family who have sent their daughter to planned parenthood to obtain birth control.

I was having a conversation with someone last week and we began to talk about the "origination" of many "fads" (men w/ earrings, dreads etc.). The main question was that since the "original" purpose was for something other than a fad, then does it make it wrong for Christians to support?

I know that for years my docs tried to get me to take birth control for medical reasons, but my conscience would not allow me to continue and therefore I could not take them. I then began to really pray to God for my healing since it would have been a sin for me to take the birth control pills (since it would have been going against my conscience). Eventually, I did receive healing w/o taking birth control.

I volunteer w/ a Crisis Pregnancy Center. It is a non-profit Christian organization and therefore takes a strong stance against abortion. We also do not promote safe sex but abstinence until marriage. Because I know that this is one of the areas that I will minister in full time I began some research on abortion, planned parenthood, homosexuality/lesbianism, fornication etc. etc. Over this past weekend my focus was on the history of birth control and planned parent hood. I read many many articles both for and against (I believe in reviewing both sides). As I was researching, the thought then came to me: Is this something that God wanted His people to ever become involved in? Also, at what point did it become "okay" to do so?

[chloe]

Now I am officially confused, so if we as Christians are not supposed to use birth-control just how are we as married folk supposed to not have children we cannot afford to take care of Or are we supposed to practice abstinence in marriage until we are ready to have a child and then once we have a child abstain until it is time for another one...in other words just engage in --- (I don't wanna get too graphic ) for the purpose of having children? Or are we supposed to just do it and whatever happens happens just keep "being fruitful and multiplying" as someone else so aptly put it. Is that what God intended? For us to just abstain in marriage or just keep on "multiplying" I am lost

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Chloe,

Your questions are the very reason I posed the original question. What was God's original intent and how are we to honor that today?

[livinganewlife]

Honestly, what is the purpose of sex?

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Since the scripture was mentioned, I thought it would be a good idea to "partially dissect" it:

be fruitful and multiply

be fruitful

parah {paw-raw'}

to bear fruit, be fruitful, branch off

a) (Qal) to bear fruit, be fruitful

b) (Hiphil)

1) to cause to bear fruit

2) to make fruitful

3) to show fruitfulness, bear fruit

and multiply

rabah {raw-baw'}

1) be or become great, be or become many, be or become much, be or become numerous

a) (Qal)

1) to become many, become numerous, multiply (of people, animals, things)

2) to be or grow great

b) (Piel) to make large, enlarge, increase, become many

c) (Hiphil)

1) to make much, make many, have many

a) to multiply, increase

b) to make much to do, do much in respect of, transgress greatly

c) to increase greatly or exceedingly

2) to make great, enlarge, do much

2) (Qal) to shoot


I believe someone stated that there are other ways that God may have intended for us "to be fruitful and multiply", however out of the 7 times this phrase is used in Scripture it was referring to filling the earth with people; to multiply.

I have heard the argument that after Jacob, God no longer told His people to "be fruitful and multiply" and therefore that "command" no longer applies to us and therefore we would have "control" over how many children we wish to have (if any at all).

I believe that God gave sex not only for husband and wife to be fruitful in multiply but as a (but not the) way for a husband and wife to express their love for one another.

[Jasmine]

Well I would like to say this; It seems there are a couple of different subtopics surrounding birth control, so lets start with that which should not apply:

1. A single christian woman, don't need birth control. If she does have them and are taking them obviously she is having sex. This is the sin.

2. A single christian girl don't need birth control. If her parents are having her take birth control, then it would appear to others that they are consenting to her having sex. Instead of being precautionary about the consequenses of having sexually active teenage daughter.


A parent can train a child to the best of their ability. You can make rules and enforce them to the best of your ability. You can pray that your child does not fall into the ways of temptation, but if the child is found sleeping around, should the parents ignore it? Should they seek precautions? (birth control). Parents can demand that their daughter/son stop sleeping around. They can try to put them under lock and key, however..it does not always work.

Second Topic:

Married women and birth control: I believe that if the husband and wife has discussed this issue, then what we think doesnt matter? It is an issue between them and God.

There are many things that we do now, that started with evil origins, yet we still do it.

Anybody play soccer? check out how its history.

I believe there are different circumstances for everything. A woman can see her own doctor/ and not a planned parenthood "counselor" about birth control, pregnancies, or etc.

[hezsweetiknow]

I recently read a great article on very subject.

According to writers, sex between husband and wife is for procreation, symbolizes Christ and church, and is definitely for the enjoyment of husband and wife. Songs of Solomon gives us a good picture.

Here's the article.

www.crosswalk.com/family/marriage/1386015.html

[And Such Were Some Of You]

jasmine said:

Well I would like to say this; It seems there are a couple of different subtopics surrounding birth control, so lets start with that which should not apply:

1. A single christian woman, don't need birth control. If she does have them and are taking them obviously she is having sex. This is the sin.

"obviously she is having sex". I disagree. Again, I am a single Christian woman and I also was a single Christian woman when my doctor placed me on birth control pills. I was not having sex.

2. A single christian girl don't need birth control. If her parents are having her take birth control, then it would appear to others that they are consenting to her having sex. Instead of being precautionary about the consequenses of having sexually active teenage daughter.

I agree here. Their argument was that if their daughter is going to have sex against their wishes then she should at least be protected from pregnancy.

There are many things that we do now, that started with evil origins, yet we still do it.

Anybody play soccer? check out how its history.

I believe there are different circumstances for everything. A woman can see her own doctor/ and not a planned parenthood "counselor" about birth control, pregnancies, or etc.

And this is exactly my point. When did it become okay to do these things - dreads, birth control, soccer, Christmas, Easter etc. Let's leave planned parenthood out of the equation: When did birth control become acceptable. I am not trying to get into anyone's bedroom because I have not asked ANYONE if they use birth control. My question, when did it become acceptable?

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Oh yeah, my reason for mentioning planned parenthood was because it appears this is where birth control began.

[And Such Were Some Of You]

hezsweetiknow said:

I recently read a great article on very subject.

According to writers, sex between husband and wife is for procreation, symbolizes Christ and church, and is definitely for the enjoyment of husband and wife. Songs of Solomon gives us a good picture.

Here's the article.

www.crosswalk.com/family/marriage/1386015.html

pretty good article.

[Jasmine]

In todays worls sex is no longer the only way for a couple to have children (test tube, implanting of the fetus etc.) Many couples continuosly try to have babies by having sex, yet the the results of parenthood are not there. Sex then becomes a burden, and in most cases causes the woman to feel less about her self, because she is unable to fulfil the desire longed by both. (a child). In such cases the woman actually does not even view it as pleasurable, then ultimately does not engage in it.

If a couple could not produce children, then sex would be for enjoyment purposes. Thus the scripture be fruitful and multiply could not apply to the "natural" but only the spiritual.

[livinganewlife]

andsuchweresomeofu said:

And this is exactly my point. When did it become okay to do these things - dreads, birth control, soccer, Christmas, Easter etc. Let's leave planned parenthood out of the equation: When did birth control become acceptable. I am not trying to get into anyone's bedroom because I have not asked ANYONE if they use birth control. My question, when did it become acceptable?

anything that is marketed right will eventually become acceptable...........there is no shame or disgrace attached to anything. We live in a carefree do what you want to kind of society.......

ASWSOY, back to the question and since we now have the facts as to why Planned Parenthood was established:

How can something that was created to annihilate a Race of People be considered part of God's plan?

whether it is acceptable or not, the origin behind Birth Control and Planned Parenthood was DEATH and the Genocide of the Black Race..............