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Post by Nikkol on Oct 20, 2007 19:07:37 GMT -5
I had no idea what to call this or even what to say..... but I decided to just start it off and everyone can just put whatever they feel fits the broad category...
Having said that, I know that just recently I actually started to think about Tyler Perry's shows/plays and the messages they portray. It always seems like a woman has a man that makes a mistake, comes to himself and wants to make it better only for the woman to say "No". You have a guy dressing in drag (which all in all doesn't send a good message) and honestly, I don't like him really as an actor playing a "male part" (which is sad).
One person said that it shouldn't make a difference because he's reaching more people in drag than many preachers are on an everyday basis.... but what I continue to "hear" is that even if you meet a "legitimate need" illegitmately, it's still wrong.....
What are your thought's?
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 20, 2007 19:54:06 GMT -5
I personally did not see a problem with Tyler Perry dressing in Drag to create Madea. I believe the concept of Madea is a VERY valid one considering so many of us grew up with a Grandmother, Aunt..or somebody who acted the same way.
Also, I don't see the big issues that people have with the type of movies that he makes. Black women, rather women period will say NO to alot of things concerning that often times their "man" dont just make ONE mistake.
Why Did I get married was not even like this. In fact the women were more of the culprits than anything.
Tyler Perry is gifted and talented and whether (like someone mentioned on the other post) He has been married or not. God has given him the heart to write about a much needed discussion...Marriage.
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 21, 2007 20:19:00 GMT -5
The good thing is that we've seen Perry mature a bit since he's come onto the scene, and he's admitted such. His Madea character is getting a bit of a break, and he had the character tone down a bit on the violence (even though it was more humorous than anything, some of the younger kids took it another way).
If I recall correctly, the only play in which the woman wouldn't take the man back after he expressed true repentance was "Diary of a Mad Black Woman." However, I WILL say that I did not like the ways things panned out in "Madea Goes to Jail." The guy wasn't even divorced from his legal wife before he started courting the lawyer, his ex-classmate. And of course, I don't really care for the divorce and remarriage angle some of his plays take, but there are also instances where widows/widowers find love a second time, the right way ("Meet the Browns") and those in which reconciliation does indeed happen (I think that was "Madea's Class Reunion"). So I do think his plays do run the gamut.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 17, 2008 12:44:57 GMT -5
BUMP
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 17, 2008 13:22:32 GMT -5
I personally have a problem with Tyler's Perry hidden agenda of the White Collar Professional woman finding love in the Blue Collar Laborer man and the White Collar Professional man treating her like crap.....
Ima be back.....we as blacks need more positive role models and we need to see black educated men in a more positive light...rather than insecure nerds who don't know how to treat women......
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 17, 2008 14:30:30 GMT -5
I "BUMPED" this thread because of a statement that keita made on another thread:
I thought the statement was an interesting one and I thought we could look into it a bit further as I feel she has a valid point.
I also see the point that you are trying to make:
I would also like to see more examples of what it is that you are trying to bring out. Is it truly a theme that he is bringing out in all of his movies? Also, is it really a hidden agenda?
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Post by vindicated on Apr 17, 2008 15:25:03 GMT -5
If he were doing it the opposite people would complain that it's not realistic. He's doing it realistically and people complain about that. I'm glad he knows he can't please everybody. I'm glad he knows that every movie won't be everyone's favorite. I'm glad that he continues to do what he does knowing that the ones it will reach will be blessed and trying to take everybody's advice will send him back to sleeping in his car!
BLACK people are the only race of people who sit around and cirticize the living daylights out of each other for every little thing they do. But we will sit up and laugh all day watching STUPID shows about nothing week after week with white people in them and never complain. Black people are a trip. We are our worst enemy. White people don't do half the damage to us that we do to each other. When the Cosby show was on we were the ones talking about ain't no such thing as a black lawyer married to a black doctor. When Good Times was on we laughed at that pitiful family week after week cause they couldn't catch a break. There isn't hardly a black woman over the age of 30 who hasn't been dogged. What's more positive that doing a movie showing a woman finally finding someone to truly love her?
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Post by vindicated on Apr 17, 2008 15:25:33 GMT -5
I think I'll stay away from these controversial threads.
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 17, 2008 15:33:22 GMT -5
I "BUMPED" this thread because of a statement that keita made on another thread: I thought the statement was an interesting one and I thought we could look into it a bit further as I feel she has a valid point. I also see the point that you are trying to make: I would also like to see more examples of what it is that you are trying to bring out. Is it truly a theme that he is bringing out in all of his movies? Also, is it really a hidden agenda? You know what......I may follow my girl Vin on this topic because only black movies have a repetitive theme to them from one writer, producer or whatever......we never are allowed the chance to see more than one aspect at a time......Currently the movie industry is being bombarded with Tyler Perry movies that subliminal get messages across regarding black issues but he is only allowed to "overly express" one or two messages... Good Woman /Bad Man Good Man / Bad Woman I had issues with Spike Lee movies too as it seemed in his movies that only light skinned women get dogged out and dark skinned sisters get the men! |
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 17, 2008 15:41:33 GMT -5
If he were doing it the opposite people would complain that it's not realistic. He's doing it realistically and people complain about that. I'm glad he knows he can't please everybody. I'm glad he knows that every movie won't be everyone's favorite. I'm glad that he continues to do what he does knowing that the ones it will reach will be blessed and trying to take everybody's advice will send him back to sleeping in his car! BLACK people are the only race of people who sit around and criticize the living daylights out of each other for every little thing they do. But we will sit up and laugh all day watching STUPID shows about nothing week after week with white people in them and never complain. Black people are a trip. We are our worst enemy. White people don't do half the damage to us that we do to each other. When the Cosby show was on we were the ones talking about ain't no such thing as a black lawyer married to a black doctor. When Good Times was on we laughed at that pitiful family week after week cause they couldn't catch a break. There isn't hardly a black woman over the age of 30 who hasn't been dogged. What's more positive that doing a movie showing a woman finally finding someone to truly love her? That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Did any one watched the video ASWSOY posted regarding " Meeting David Wilson"..well there are key statements and components in that video which gives understanding to why black people, criticize their own the way they do. If you have not viewed it..please do. |
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Post by vindicated on Apr 17, 2008 16:44:36 GMT -5
I just hate it. We are our own worst enemy. We start out giving each other good support. While Tyler was doing those plays he was king o the world. All his movies are, are the plays on the big screen in movie theatres and now er'body got a problem. But we were trippin over each other to get to the plays. The man ain't even changed the names! We know that these are the plays we used to enjoy. Why now is there a hidden agenda and the same old same old?
Hollywood is not controlling what Tyler does. They have no say so. We have the say so, everytime we go to his message board. He takes all things into consideration. But he still has to stay true to himself and what got him to where he is and a large part of that is US. He used his own money when hollywood said no and he's still using his own money, even for house of payne.
Janet Floyd was at our church a few weeks ago and she made these comments.
That Black people who work for a White woman will call her Miss Ann and call a Black boss by her first name. When they work for a white woman they'll come to work early and stay late but for a Black woman they'll come late and want to leave early. They'll be afraid to look a white woman in her face but will GET IN a Black woman's face. AIN'T IT THE TRUTH! She said we've confused our help with our hurt.
I say, We hurt our help and help our hurt.
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 17, 2008 18:32:12 GMT -5
I just hate it. We are our own worst enemy. We start out giving each other good support. While Tyler was doing those plays he was king o the world. All his movies are, are the plays on the big screen in movie theatres and now er'body got a problem. But we were trippin over each other to get to the plays. The man ain't even changed the names! We know that these are the plays we used to enjoy. Why now is there a hidden agenda and the same old same old? Hollywood is not controlling what Tyler does. They have no say so. We have the say so, everytime we go to his message board. He takes all things into consideration. But he still has to stay true to himself and what got him to where he is and a large part of that is US. He used his own money when hollywood said no and he's still using his own money, even for house of payne. Janet Floyd was at our church a few weeks ago and she made these comments. That Black people who work for a White woman will call her Miss Ann and call a Black boss by her first name. When they work for a white woman they'll come to work early and stay late but for a Black woman they'll come late and want to leave early. They'll be afraid to look a white woman in her face but will GET IN a Black woman's face. AIN'T IT THE TRUTH! She said we've confused our help with our hurt. I say, We hurt our help and help our hurt. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 17, 2008 18:39:42 GMT -5
movie producers will have critcs. authors will have critics. anyone in the entertainment industry will have critics. Get used to it!
I don't see anyone here dogging him and again, we are painting with a broad brush and should really be careful.
Sis Vin. I am assuming that you are a black female. I am a black female. You asked us to critique your writings. Now if I happen to give some constructive criticism would that be that I am hating on you or that I am your worse enemy? I am trying to get the understanding of what it is that you are trying to communicate. Do you know that sometimes what the 'critics" say actually help us to grow or cause our "work" to grow?
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 18, 2008 6:41:11 GMT -5
Why is there such a misconception that ALL black folks think alike?
If I disagree with something or some art form based on my own personal preferences than I am criticizing, downing a brother or sister....
When in all honesty, I am just expressing my personal beliefs and opinions based upon my personal experiences and viewpoint.
I have never understood why is it that ALL blacks are expected to agree or like something or someone just because it is BLACK!
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 18, 2008 10:07:13 GMT -5
Why is there such a misconception that ALL black folks think alike?
If I disagree with something or some art form based on my own personal preferences than I am criticizing, downing a brother or sister....
When in all honesty, I am just expressing my personal beliefs and opinions based upon my personal experiences and viewpoint.
I have never understood why is it that ALL blacks are expected to agree or like something or someone just because it is BLACK! I understand what you are saying sis, which is why I say that we need to be careful about using the "broad brush." Also, just because one is giving their view on something, doesn't necessarily mean that it is a negative thing or we are "hating" on someone. I never understood that mentality and I may never understand it. |
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