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Post by lanl ns on Feb 24, 2006 12:00:54 GMT -5
Also Bee from the very beginning in Genesis, I find it very interesting that the working order were specifically given to Adam...... Adam had a JOB, he was a zoologist because he was naming all the fish, the cattle, and all the animals. Adam was a Botanist he was naming all the plants and so forth..... So in theory Adam was a Jamaican he had bout 7 jobs..............
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Post by Beulah5 on Feb 24, 2006 12:07:24 GMT -5
Lol! Amen. Y'all have to forgive me but i have a burning passion to see divine order restored in the earth. The problems that society has is due to the breakdown of the family model that God instituted men being women and women being men and as some say they are neither of the two. This in turn leads to a damaged generation being raised up who in turn pass on the iniquity onto futire generations. Simply put i have a strong and intense dislike for men who refuse/cant lead. God is working with me on that one y'all pray. As far as i am concerned if men were seriously being the caretakers of society as God designed them to be we wont be in the mess we are today. Someone needs to tell them to take off the high heels, the tutus all that oh lala and feminine empathy and get back into the garden toiling and leading-where they belong. Or send them to me ;D
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Post by elderbeck NSI on Feb 24, 2006 12:43:25 GMT -5
typical very typical.... we get a men's thread going and most of the post in here is from women telling a man how to do his job... LOL! ;D
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Post by Beck on Feb 24, 2006 12:52:32 GMT -5
But is it biblical though Nikkol? Can a man truly be 'head of his home' if he aint working and putting money on the table? I think any woman or children will have a hard time honouring and esteeming a permanent 'house husband'. Being a provider brings authority. God was not just talking out of the air when He said that a man must work. Women were also designed to be receivers and that includes being looked after by the man. Fine both can work but a man who wont work and is actually very comfortable lounging at home permanently worries me. It is better for a man to be out there making less than his wife could be but retaining his dignity rather than have a hydra headed home. Money gives u a voice-everyone knows that and that applies to the home as well. How can u command any authority when evryone knows that down to the laces on ur shoes it is ur wife who paid? God forbid A woman should do what ever her husband need her to do, just as long as its from God. God wasnt talking out of his head when he said man had to work, but he also wasnt talking out of his head when he said the the husband will rule over his wife and her desire is unto him. Women have an very hard responsibility that can only be fulfilled through humbling yourselves to God and his divine order. It isn't what a man physically has that makes him head of the house... its a divine appointment that should be taken seriously by both the husband and the wife. so that means that mouth that is so nagging at times should be under subjection when the husband makes a final choice. If you don't agree with it, then pray about it for understanding instead of beating your husband up over it... thats why God had hollowed out roof tops for the man to get some "man time" LOL some women just kill and hurt any motivation the man has to do whats right in the sight of God..LOL! also looking at the virtuous woman... she seems to have A LOT of work to do... so those who think that its all about receiving need to check out what that sista was doing for her man...LOL
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Post by Giants DO Die ns on Feb 24, 2006 13:16:59 GMT -5
The man is to be the prophet priest and king of his home.
Discuss.
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Post by elderbeck NSI on Feb 24, 2006 13:18:42 GMT -5
The man is to be the prophet priest and king of his home. Discuss. man... you gonna get me in trouble ...Im crackin up over here...LOL
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Post by Jasmine nsi on Feb 24, 2006 13:50:57 GMT -5
The man is to be the prophet priest and king of his home. Discuss. which means he's supposed to work. and if he does not work..He does not EAT!
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Post by elderbeck NSI on Feb 24, 2006 13:57:53 GMT -5
The man is to be the prophet priest and king of his home. Discuss. I see thats how sisters think... leave a brotha man out to starve.. Just a quick question... what is he working for in order for a sister to respect and honor him as the head?? which means he's supposed to work. and if he does not work..He does not EAT!
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Post by C nsi on Feb 24, 2006 14:03:51 GMT -5
But is it biblical though Nikkol? Can a man truly be 'head of his home' if he aint working and putting money on the table? I think any woman or children will have a hard time honouring and esteeming a permanent 'house husband'. Being a provider brings authority. God was not just talking out of the air when He said that a man must work. Women were also designed to be receivers and that includes being looked after by the man. Fine both can work but a man who wont work and is actually very comfortable lounging at home permanently worries me. It is better for a man to be out there making less than his wife could be but retaining his dignity rather than have a hydra headed home. Money gives u a voice-everyone knows that and that applies to the home as well. How can u command any authority when evryone knows that down to the laces on ur shoes it is ur wife who paid? God forbid [glow=red,2,300] AMEN![/glow]
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Post by elderbeck NSI on Feb 24, 2006 14:15:52 GMT -5
But is it biblical though Nikkol? Can a man truly be 'head of his home' if he aint working and putting money on the table? I think any woman or children will have a hard time honouring and esteeming a permanent 'house husband'. Being a provider brings authority. God was not just talking out of the air when He said that a man must work. Women were also designed to be receivers and that includes being looked after by the man. Fine both can work but a man who wont work and is actually very comfortable lounging at home permanently worries me. It is better for a man to be out there making less than his wife could be but retaining his dignity rather than have a hydra headed home. Money gives u a voice-everyone knows that and that applies to the home as well. How can u command any authority when evryone knows that down to the laces on ur shoes it is ur wife who paid? God forbid [glow=red,2,300] AMEN![/glow] the day that what I make defines me as the head of the household is the day salvation is given by works...
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Post by Bee on Feb 24, 2006 14:35:34 GMT -5
How can u compare the 2 Elder Beck? Being head of a house is a divine appointment which comes with certain duties and responsibilities just the same as being a helpmeet. It is not enough to say that i am head of a household just because i have a deep voice just the same that any female cannot be called a godly wife unless she is doing certain duties. The man is supposed to echo the image of God who is a worker and a giver. It is not about how much u make it is about the fact that he is out there making something. By divine design it is impossible for society and a woman to respect and give a man who permanently refuses to work in any shape or form and provide for his family respect. That is just how it works. Is the sum of a man in how much he makes? Not at all but it is the fact that he is doing what he can and his best to protect his family and ensure that they are covered against the elements of life. In addition hasnt God given the man a natural desire to work, provide and protect? I question men who dont want to work in the first place i thought it was a reflex action -just the same way we ladies like to look after u guys-and i mean in every sense. It is a bit unfair to say that we are telling men what to do when the men cannot be found anywhere in the first place We love and honour our precious brothers on here-urself, Kanyon, Giants, True -every last one of u however u have to admit that women are outnumbering men in christiandom hence what looks like a ladies shark attack whereas the question needs to be raised as to where are the men who are supposed to be shutting us up in the first place?
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 24, 2006 14:36:12 GMT -5
Beck: You hit the nail on the head. God forbid that a man is paralyzed and can't work. By these definitions, he wouldn't be able to eat. I think that it is moreso based upon the relationship between the husband and wife. First of all, they are no longer two but one individual. Meaning to me that the husband's money belongs to both of them and the wife's money belongs to both of them. Just like it's possible that one spouse handles the household bills, it can work that way with anything else.
My submission to my husband is not based on how much money he has. My submission is based on the Word saying to submit to my husband. Whether he makes any money or not doesn't give me license to now tell him what to do. If a woman feels that way, I think that there is a lack of maturity that as time progresses can change.
But as long as they are doing something to help out with the household, why should it matter?
Side Note: Although I have to admit that it's strange when a person tends to be more "women's lib" vs. the kinght in shining armor approach.
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Post by Jasmine nsi on Feb 24, 2006 14:37:44 GMT -5
But is it biblical though Nikkol? Can a man truly be 'head of his home' if he aint working and putting money on the table? I think any woman or children will have a hard time honouring and esteeming a permanent 'house husband'. Being a provider brings authority. God was not just talking out of the air when He said that a man must work. Women were also designed to be receivers and that includes being looked after by the man. Fine both can work but a man who wont work and is actually very comfortable lounging at home permanently worries me. It is better for a man to be out there making less than his wife could be but retaining his dignity rather than have a hydra headed home. Money gives u a voice-everyone knows that and that applies to the home as well. How can u command any authority when evryone knows that down to the laces on ur shoes it is ur wife who paid? God forbid A woman should do what ever her husband need her to do, just as long as its from God. God wasnt talking out of his head when he said man had to work, but he also wasnt talking out of his head when he said the the husband will rule over his wife and her desire is unto him. Women have an very hard responsibility that can only be fulfilled through humbling yourselves to God and his divine order. It isn't what a man physically has that makes him head of the house... its a divine appointment that should be taken seriously by both the husband and the wife. so that means that mouth that is so nagging at times should be under subjection when the husband makes a final choice. If you don't agree with it, then pray about it for understanding instead of beating your husband up over it... thats why God had hollowed out roof tops for the man to get some "man time" LOL some women just kill and hurt any motivation the man has to do whats right in the sight of God..LOL! also looking at the virtuous woman... she seems to have A LOT of work to do... so those who think that its all about receiving need to check out what that sista was doing for her man...LOL Unfortunately, men need to learn how to be quiet as well. ;D We don't want to always hear the yapping either! Because God has given the husband authority over his wife, somehow men have assumed that the wife needs them to be a "father". Women don't need a father..most have or have that. Women are not their husbands mothers either, so stop expecting the wife to treat you just like mama, that would men she should treat you like the rest of the children in the house. Wives are loving partners, and if a wife is not being treated by her mate as the queen of her household, then she holds the power to make or break her husband. She can discourage him from all his dreams, She can chomp and chew all his money away, She can tell him how he's a no-good for nothing, and guess what..eventually the man thinks it and he becomes it. Now a Christian God fearing women..Wouldn't do that . She would be behind the decision making of her husband 100% even if she doesn't agree with it. Her responsibility would be to pray that God would lead and guide the husband to the right decision, not criticize him. It is befitting for the Husband to stop abusing his God-giving authority as the head and decision maker of the house. Some men..especially short ones ;D, haven't seen to grasp the concept that you are to LOVE , (that includes treat )your wife as Christ loves the church. I dont understand how you can love your wife like Christ loves the church, and treat her like garbage. I see men spending more money on their clothes, cars and etcs, then they do on their wife. And then walk around all puffed up like "I'm the mand of God". Men ought to recognize that Women hold a powerful gift. It is God given and thats why the Proverbs 31 woman, her husband, household was succesful.
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Post by lanl ns on Feb 24, 2006 14:46:31 GMT -5
Amen Bee Amen, especially to God giving men a natural desire to work..
In my life it was not my desire as a child to become a CEO of some major company, my desire was to marry have children and wait on "prince charming".....
I work and work hard because I HAD TOOOOO........
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Post by Jasmine nsi on Feb 24, 2006 14:49:07 GMT -5
Beck: You hit the nail on the head. God forbid that a man is paralyzed and can't work. By these definitions, he wouldn't be able to eat. I think that it is moreso based upon the relationship between the husband and wife. First of all, they are no longer two but one individual. Meaning to me that the husband's money belongs to both of them and the wife's money belongs to both of them. Just like it's possible that one spouse handles the household bills, it can work that way with anything else. My submission to my husband is not based on how much money he has. My submission is based on the Word saying to submit to my husband. Whether he makes any money or not doesn't give me license to now tell him what to do. If a woman feels that way, I think that there is a lack of maturity that as time progresses can change. But as long as they are doing something to help out with the household, why should it matter? Side Note: Although I have to admit that it's strange when a person tends to be more "women's lib" vs. the kinght in shining armor approach.Nikkol? since when does being paralized suggest that you can't work. Many paralized individuals work. They may not be able to do jobs that require walking, but what about Administratation jobs, or things of that nature. Also, We are referencing men who refuse to work. If your husband refuses to work, I can't believe that you will respect him as the provider of the household, the decision maker. Any man who does not want to work, but wants their wife to go out and bring home the bacon...can stand up and say that he wears the pants in house. Because EVERY man will know that he doesn't. The wife does.
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