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Post by Giants DO Die ns on Feb 28, 2006 13:18:20 GMT -5
i notice many times when this issue or subject is brought up the one concern that seems to concern the women of God is over control. If we are talking true God fearing men here then there should be no concerns over control or whether they will love their wives as Christ loved the church.
Why do we see the responsibility as king meaning that the man will rule with a controlling, terrorizing spirit. Why cant we see the man as king reflecting the same loving benevolent authority as seen in our KING who is Jesus. In fact the true man of God will see that His wife is not a subservient or a stepandfetch but a daughter of the living GOD who must be treated with the utmost respect because he as the man is answerable to GOD her Father for his treatment of her.
We are speaking of the role and the responsibility of the man FIRST and FOREMOST To God for his household, wife and family. The man of GOD learns these roles not when he becomes a husband but at first over his OWN self. A man who does not rule his own spirit is like a city that is broken down and without walls.
The Prophet- In the role of the prophet the man of God receives the vision of God for the family, gets the revelation of the will of God and declares God's divine will to the household, for ALL.. Himself, the wife and the children. It is His responsibility to go before God to seek GOD's divine will on behalf of the home.
The Priest- The Priest is the pastoral ministry. The man of God in this role is responsible to intercede and to cover the wife and the family. He brings the prayer requests and needs of his home before God and labors and travails before God. The priest is also respsonsible to teach the law. It is the responsibility of the man of God to make sure his children and brought up in the fear and admonition of the Lord by teaching them the Word of God. He is to be the covering for the household spiritually as well.
The King- The kingship role hs several aspects. The King is responsible for the welfare and safety of his subject. He is responsible to make sure that their natural needs are met and that provision is available for them. It is his duty to provide shelter, food, clothing and finances for the household. He is responsible for the safety of his subjects. He provides protection. In the spiritual aspect the king is the warrior for the family. He should be the FIRST live of defense for spiritual attacks against His household. He is the one who stands at the ready to defend his family against the wiles and attacks of the enemy in the matchless name of JESUS. The king is ready to go to war to protect the kingdom AND its subjects.
He is also responsible to enforce the laws.What is interesting is that in a kingdom once a law is written it applies even to the king. He cannot change or rewrite the laws as he sees fit. In the Kingdom of God.. Jesus is King. The man of God who operates in his kingship emulates His Sovereign King Jesus to his wife and family. The King also enforces the law and makes sure that it is carried out and hands out just punishments if necessary.
And in all honest some of this is simply scratching the surface but it is a starting point.
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 28, 2006 13:25:14 GMT -5
Just to add, in scripture we see the role of the father also as the one that "speaks over" his children........... ie destiny, blessings, etc
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Feb 28, 2006 13:36:03 GMT -5
i notice many times when this issue or subject is brought up the one concern that seems to concern the women of God is over control. If we are talking true God fearing men here then there should be no concerns over control or whether they will love their wives as Christ loved the church. Why do we see the responsibility as king meaning that the man will rule with a controlling, terrorizing spirit. Why cant we see the man as king reflecting the same loving benevolent authority as seen in our KING who is Jesus. In fact the true man of God will see that His wife is not a subservient or a stepandfetch but a daughter of the living GOD who must be treated with the utmost respect because he as the man is answerable to GOD her Father for his treatment of her. We are speaking of the role and the responsibility of the man FIRST and FOREMOST To God for his household, wife and family. The man of GOD learns these roles not when he becomes a husband but at first over his OWN self. A man who does not rule his own spirit is like a city that is broken down and without walls. The Prophet- In the role of the prophet the man of God receives the vision of God for the family, gets the revelation of the will of God and declares God's divine will to the household, for ALL.. Himself, the wife and the children. It is His responsibility to go before God to seek GOD's divine will on behalf of the home. The Priest- The Priest is the pastoral ministry. The man of God in this role is responsible to intercede and to cover the wife and the family. He brings the prayer requests and needs of his home before God and labors and travails before God. The priest is also respsonsible to teach the law. It is the responsibility of the man of God to make sure his children and brought up in the fear and admonition of the Lord by teaching them the Word of God. He is to be the covering for the household spiritually as well. The King- The kingship role hs several aspects. The King is responsible for the welfare and safety of his subject. He is responsible to make sure that their natural needs are met and that provision is available for them. It is his duty to provide shelter, food, clothing and finances for the household. He is responsible for the safety of his subjects. He provides protection. In the spiritual aspect the king is the warrior for the family. He should be the FIRST live of defense for spiritual attacks against His household. He is the one who stands at the ready to defend his family against the wiles and attacks of the enemy in the matchless name of JESUS. The king is ready to go to war to protect the kingdom AND its subjects. He is also responsible to enforce the laws.What is interesting is that in a kingdom once a law is written it applies even to the king. He cannot change or rewrite the laws as he sees fit. In the Kingdom of God.. Jesus is King. The man of God who operates in his kingship emulates His Sovereign King Jesus to his wife and family. The King also enforces the law and makes sure that it is carried out and hands out just punishments if necessary. And in all honest some of this is simply scratching the surface but it is a starting point. Great post, GDD!! |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Feb 28, 2006 13:36:23 GMT -5
Just to add, in scripture we see the role of the father also as the one that "speaks over" his children........... ie destiny, blessings, etc Great Addition, Nikkol! |
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Post by Beck on Feb 28, 2006 13:45:40 GMT -5
i notice many times when this issue or subject is brought up the one concern that seems to concern the women of God is over control. If we are talking true God fearing men here then there should be no concerns over control or whether they will love their wives as Christ loved the church. Why do we see the responsibility as king meaning that the man will rule with a controlling, terrorizing spirit. Why cant we see the man as king reflecting the same loving benevolent authority as seen in our KING who is Jesus. In fact the true man of God will see that His wife is not a subservient or a stepandfetch but a daughter of the living GOD who must be treated with the utmost respect because he as the man is answerable to GOD her Father for his treatment of her. We are speaking of the role and the responsibility of the man FIRST and FOREMOST To God for his household, wife and family. The man of GOD learns these roles not when he becomes a husband but at first over his OWN self. A man who does not rule his own spirit is like a city that is broken down and without walls. The Prophet- In the role of the prophet the man of God receives the vision of God for the family, gets the revelation of the will of God and declares God's divine will to the household, for ALL.. Himself, the wife and the children. It is His responsibility to go before God to seek GOD's divine will on behalf of the home. The Priest- The Priest is the pastoral ministry. The man of God in this role is responsible to intercede and to cover the wife and the family. He brings the prayer requests and needs of his home before God and labors and travails before God. The priest is also respsonsible to teach the law. It is the responsibility of the man of God to make sure his children and brought up in the fear and admonition of the Lord by teaching them the Word of God. He is to be the covering for the household spiritually as well. The King- The kingship role hs several aspects. The King is responsible for the welfare and safety of his subject. He is responsible to make sure that their natural needs are met and that provision is available for them. It is his duty to provide shelter, food, clothing and finances for the household. He is responsible for the safety of his subjects. He provides protection. In the spiritual aspect the king is the warrior for the family. He should be the FIRST live of defense for spiritual attacks against His household. He is the one who stands at the ready to defend his family against the wiles and attacks of the enemy in the matchless name of JESUS. The king is ready to go to war to protect the kingdom AND its subjects. He is also responsible to enforce the laws.What is interesting is that in a kingdom once a law is written it applies even to the king. He cannot change or rewrite the laws as he sees fit. In the Kingdom of God.. Jesus is King. The man of God who operates in his kingship emulates His Sovereign King Jesus to his wife and family. The King also enforces the law and makes sure that it is carried out and hands out just punishments if necessary. And in all honest some of this is simply scratching the surface but it is a starting point. Amen to the post bro... And you are 100% correct with the last statement. Its so much that the role of a man deals with... We can go on and on digging in this. |
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Post by nina on Mar 1, 2006 4:03:35 GMT -5
"The man of GOD learns these roles not when he becomes a husband but at first over his OWN self. A man who does not rule his own spirit is like a city that is broken down and without walls." Giants, in the light of what you said above, and you used the word "learns" (and, for what it's worth, I do agree) Could you elaborate more about the "learning process" prior to being a husband? I think it's important, for both man and woman, because it would put some things in the right order of priorities... Thank you  |
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Post by GiantsDODie on Mar 2, 2006 9:29:59 GMT -5
Thats a good question but its not a simply answer. First of all we must realize the majority of what both men and women have learned about being a man or manhood is OFF. Most of it we learned from the world and often times through someone elses hang-ups baggage or misonception. A lot of what men learn isnt manhood it's machismo. Sp we must unlearn and be taught what it means to be a man according to God. This is the beginning of proper identity. Ok Lord, I am a man, what does that mean? Why did you make man, what is man's purpose in the earth? What is man's responsibility to God ?? Now why did you make ME? Who are you in ME and who am I in you? What is your divine purpose for me in the earth? Man is made in the image of God... Ok,, if I am made in Gods image.. then who is GOD  What are His characteristics that I should have in me Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church.. How did Jesus love the church ?? OK now I must study HOW Jesus loved the church. All these things are learned over time. God taught me about these things before I got married. Now I am ever learning and have not apprehended it all but GOD did establish a foundation in my life that something could be built on. |
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Post by nina on Mar 2, 2006 16:32:51 GMT -5
"A lot of what men learn isnt manhood it's machismo." I agree. And should the "machismo" remain, even in a Christian couple, there is a very potential for it to turn into some type of "spiritual machismo" which is even worst, IMHO "So we must unlearn and be taught what it means to be a man according to God" That's a powerful little word One has to be willing and extremely loving to be able to do that, because in the process of unlearning, a man might feel as being also "undone". It takes surrender, humility, complete trust, and a lot of layers being peeled off to get to the heart of man. Lots of patience too... "This is the beginning of proper identity." How does a husband establish a real understanding and harmony with his wife regarding this ongoing process? She also goes through transformation, maturing, as he goes through his. How do you maintain a balance along the way without even such a spiritual matter becoming a subject of contention in the couple's relationship? |
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Post by keita on Mar 3, 2006 16:46:02 GMT -5
I think those are some really great questions, nina! i notice many times when this issue or subject is brought up the one concern that seems to concern the women of God is over control. Bro Giants, as I said earlier, I think that "control thing" is an issue for a lot of menfolk as well.  I think that struggle often has much to do with true "spiritual authority" as opposed to the "spirit of control". Maybe some of you brothers can speak to that here and sisters can do the same in the WF... All these things are learned over time. God taught me about these things before I got married. Now I am ever learning and have not apprehended it all but GOD did establish a foundation in my life that something could be built on. God Bless You for that! Your testimony blesses my socks off, especially as the single female parent of a (now grown) male child. Ever since I gave my life to Christ and began studying God's Word, I've been praying for and over him like Hannah because I recognized that so much of what he needed to learn and understand should have come from a Godly father. In the absence of one, I've been (and still am) asking and trusting God Our Father to be and do that for him. Your words so encourage me that God can, does and will do exactly that. Amen! |
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Post by Giants DO Diens on Mar 3, 2006 17:49:41 GMT -5
Keita I agree a lot of men have control issues. It just seems that both men and women have points a periods where they try to dominate each other when in reality we are supposed to be in submission to the Lord and to each other. Its a foolish man that does not listen to the council of God through his wife.
The man of God MUST continue to seek the Lord for understanding and to develop harmony with his wife. GOD made her. Only HE knows why she acts the way she does and why she thinks the way she thinks. In fact half the time we dont know why we do the things we do but GOD does.
Part of the problem I see with marriages is that we leave GOD out of the equation. Sometimes we seek God as to who we shoud marry ( sometimes ) but we dont seek God for understanding about the person we are marrying or who we are married to.
Normally we seek God when there are problems, not asking Him to reveal and heighten ur understanding all along the way.
When you understand your wife is one flesh with you then you must understand who she is to you and how she completes you and how you complete her. Yet when we understand that GOD made both of us we must also understand that we dont know ourselves. We must allow GOD to teach us who WE are as well.
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What are His characteristics that I should have in me 
