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Post by keita nsi on Feb 25, 2006 1:20:17 GMT -5
Me too, sis... well, for the first sentence of that post anyway.  Ya'll may be the head, but its the neck (woman) that controls it.  LOL! Make it plain! But especially for this discussion, I think that's a particularly powerful analogy you're using (man="head", woman="neck") and so staying with it for a moment... You are so right that indeed it is the "neck" which controls "head" movement. And as anybody who's ever suffered with severe "neck" pain knows, a jacked up "neck" can cause a whole lot of problems for the "head" and in a body. (Still using that analogy ) I also think it's really interesting that the primary relationship of the "neck" to the "head" is actually and mostly one of support. Check out these biological facts about the relationship between the "head" and the "neck" of the body: - In everyday life, carrying the "head" upright is no small task. The "head" is completely supported by the "neck"-which also serves as the "head's" lifeline to the rest of the body.
- The "neck" muscles can only relax when they don't have to support the weight of the "head".
- The optimal relationship of the "head" to the "neck" is not a fixed position, but a dynamic balance by which the weight of the "head" is balanced under the changing conditions of the body in activity.
- It takes very little to upset the delicate balance of the "head" and "neck".
Okay, I quit 'cause Bro Giants don't play these feminine sidebars in the men's fellowship. And I'm really not jivin' about how much I really do value and enjoy hearing the men of God speak for themselves. |
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Post by GiantsDODie on Feb 25, 2006 2:25:32 GMT -5
Me too, sis... well, for the first sentence of that post anyway. Ya'll may be the head, but its the neck (woman) that controls it. LOL! Make it plain! But especially for this discussion, I think that's a particularly powerful analogy you're using (man="head", woman="neck") and so staying with it for a moment... You are so right that indeed it is the "neck" which controls "head" movement. And as anybody who's ever suffered with severe "neck" pain knows, a jacked up "neck" can cause a whole lot of problems for the "head" and in a body. (Still using that analogy ) I also think it's really interesting that the primary relationship of the "neck" to the "head" is actually and mostly one of support. Check out these biological facts about the relationship between the "head" and the "neck" of the body: - In everyday life, carrying the "head" upright is no small task. The "head" is completely supported by the "neck"-which also serves as the "head's" lifeline to the rest of the body.
- The "neck" muscles can only relax when they don't have to support the weight of the "head".
- The optimal relationship of the "head" to the "neck" is not a fixed position, but a dynamic balance by which the weight of the "head" is balanced under the changing conditions of the body in activity.
- It takes very little to upset the delicate balance of the "head" and "neck".
Okay, I quit 'cause Bro Giants don't play these feminine sidebars. And I'm really not jivin' about how much I really do value and enjoy hearing the men of God speak for themselves. The neck however doesnt CONTROL the head. It supports the head. Physically speaking it is the brain which is located in the head which sends the signal to the neck to tell it what to do. There are things the neck does autonomously which keita pointed out. However there are things the neck needs instruction on what to do and how to do it. Prophet, Priest and King... still waiting to see if we can tackle this.. |
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Post by keita nsi on Feb 25, 2006 2:46:33 GMT -5
The neck however doesnt CONTROL the head. It supports the head. Physically speaking it is the brain which is located in the head which sends the signal to the neck to tell it what to do. There are things the neck does autonomously which keita pointed out. However there are things the neck needs instruction on what to do and how to do it. Okay, Bro Giants. We don't have complete agreement about some of that but it's close enough for me to give a good "Amen" so that we can get on back to: Lead on, my brother(s)! |
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Post by elderbeck NSI on Feb 25, 2006 7:07:07 GMT -5
How can u compare the 2 Elder Beck? Being head of a house is a divine appointment which comes with certain duties and responsibilities just the same as being a helpmeet. It is not enough to say that i am head of a household just because i have a deep voice just the same that any female cannot be called a godly wife unless she is doing certain duties. The man is supposed to echo the image of God who is a worker and a giver. It is not about how much u make it is about the fact that he is out there making something. By divine design it is impossible for society and a woman to respect and give a man who permanently refuses to work in any shape or form and provide for his family respect. That is just how it works. Is the sum of a man in how much he makes? Not at all but it is the fact that he is doing what he can and his best to protect his family and ensure that they are covered against the elements of life. In addition hasnt God given the man a natural desire to work, provide and protect? I question men who dont want to work in the first place i thought it was a reflex action -just the same way we ladies like to look after u guys-and i mean in every sense. It is a bit unfair to say that we are telling men what to do when the men cannot be found anywhere in the first place  We love and honour our precious brothers on here-urself, Kanyon, Giants, True -every last one of u however u have to admit that women are outnumbering men in christiandom hence what looks like a ladies shark attack whereas the question needs to be raised as to where are the men who are supposed to be shutting us up in the first place? Sister bee I understand what your saying but a man isn't the head because of anything physical... its a divine appointment, just as women are divinely appointed to be a helper with there spouse, to work side by side with him, not to be servants but co -laborers, and that is the reason I believe God took eve from his rib and not his butt..lol. the rib indicating walking side by side with him. Men aren't the only ones who should echo the image of God, woman also...(as unto the Lord) and are workers and givers just as much as the woman. Remember In Genesis sister that God created male and female together in his image...(male and female created he them) He formed Adam first yes...but eve was created in the image at the very same time as Adam( in the image of God). As for the man who walks in the fear of God, he will do those things required of him, so that the needs of his family are taken care of, and it isn't based on what she does, but its based on a divine appointment by God, likewise the woman desire is unto her husband, not because of what he brings home, but because of her divine appointment. thats why its important that we give our hearts first to God before we give it to a man or a woman so that we can know our roles and effective operate in them so that we first please God and not seek to please a person. So no matter what the husband does wrong, it should be a reason why the woman looks at him as less than the head, but she should encourage, honor, motivate him to be the best he can be In Christ, never withholding from doing her duties as a woman and respecting her man. Same with the husband... He should seek to do what ever is in his power to please God so he can meet the needs of his family. not withholding because his wife isn't cooking or cleaning, or because she is a stay home wife. IF he remembers the commandments that...husbands should love his wife as Christ loved the church then he should be constantly reminded of what love is, and what it means and continue to walk in that divine commandment... |
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Post by GiantsDODie on Feb 25, 2006 9:14:09 GMT -5
The neck however doesnt CONTROL the head. It supports the head. Physically speaking it is the brain which is located in the head which sends the signal to the neck to tell it what to do. There are things the neck does autonomously which keita pointed out. However there are things the neck needs instruction on what to do and how to do it. Okay, Bro Giants. We don't have complete agreement about some of that but it's close enough for me to give a good "Amen" so that we can get on back to: Lead on, my brother(s)! Well I dont understand why we wouldnt agree completely. Biologially speaking the neck doesnt CONTROL the head. It supports the head. The bodies control functions are carried out by the brain which is in the head. If I want to look left. right, up or down the neck does not decide on its own, It receives a command from the brain which tells it what direction to look, how far, and even how fast. Even when the neck is experiencing pain it is the BRAIN that receives and then interprets that signal. The Brain determines, is this painm what kind of pain, how much pain, does this pain require rest or medical treatement etc etc, should I get an Advil for this ?? SO if we are simply talking biologically the head has more control than we realize. However spiritually its not that simple. The problem with men and women as far as relationships go is that there is often a battle over who has the CONTROL over a situation. However if we would truly recognize our ROLES we wouldnt have control issues. There are three ROLES a man in his home occupy.. Prophet Priest King Here is why I keep asking the question... As men...If we dont understand the roles we occupy then how in the world can we be what GOD ordained us to be? For women... If you dont understand and value the role of the man and YOUR role as it pertains to the man ( aka the head ) you will undervalue. misunderstand and possibly ABUSE what you have. I have heard many women talk and in all honesty many women dont know a THING about men and very very few know a thing about a man of GOD. I want a man I want a man God where is my man.. and I hear God saying " You want a man  " You dont even know what a man is or appreciate the gift of a man. As men we are a LOT more than folks who pay your bills, strole your hair, tell you that you pretty, and give you some legalized sex. Prophet Priest King discuss.... |
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 25, 2006 17:35:41 GMT -5
Priest/Prophet -- I think that these two go hand and hand. I view this just as I talk with other women that are wanting to marry. It is very important that the hubsna dbe on a higher spiritual level than the wife. This way, when he says something, it can be understood that he's saying it for a reason. For example, you may want to go out and eat with some people on a given night. Your husband may say no because he is feeling as though God is wanting you not to go. As the priest/prophet of the house, it should be understood that he's not trying to let you have no fun but rather that there is a spiritual dimension that you (general) may not see. As the wife, you want to be able to trust the judgment of your husband.
Additionally, the way that I look at it is that because I am held responsible for submitting to my husband (not for my husband loving me) when he says to do something, even if I don't agree, it's better to heed to what he says as the head of the household...........
BTW, where did the statement "The husband may be the head but the wife is the neck originate from"?
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Post by Bee on Feb 25, 2006 17:51:35 GMT -5
I believe that simply put that as Priest he is supposed to intercede and bear the responsibility of the spiritual direction of his family.
As prophet he hears from God on behalf of his family.
As king he is worthy of honour and respect and also his word is the last say on decisions especially those involving the above.
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Post by nina on Feb 25, 2006 18:22:49 GMT -5
"BTW, where did the statement "The husband may be the head but the wife is the neck originate from"?" I think that this is the original - and very real - story: "I'm reminded of a story I heard about a Rabbi David Siegal who was marrying the granddaughter of a remarkable woman named Fania. When Fania lived in Stalinist Russia, she and her village were moved by the authorities. Everybody was allowed to take two bags. While the others in the village packed their jewels and valuables, Fania insisted that her family each take two bags of potatoes, and only potatoes. By the time the village arrived to where it was being sent, everybody was starving. But under Fania's orders, her family fought off all the starving villagers long enough to plant the potatoes in the ground and soon there was enough food for everybody in the villlage. So when Rabbi Siegal was about to marry Fania's granddaughter in America, he thought it best to get some advice on life and marriage and women from this remarkable woman. And so they went for a walk on the beach. Rabbi Siegal asked her, at one point, what makes for a good marriage. She answered him: "Always remember one thing and one thing only -- the man is the head of the household!" This surprised Rabbi Siegal. Such an anti-feminist view from such a strong and capable woman. But she repeated it to him a second time: "Always remember -- the man is the head of the household." And they walked along for a while in silence, until Rabbi Siegal thought to ask, "And Fania, if the man's the head, what is the woman?" She answered: "The woman is the neck. It moves the head." Of course, there's also stiffed necks, crooked necks, turkey necks and red necks.  |
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Post by Bee on Feb 25, 2006 18:26:56 GMT -5
I suppose we could also ask where did the :prophet, priest, king originate from since it is not literally in the bible- or is it? |
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Post by Jasmine nsi on Feb 25, 2006 20:10:16 GMT -5
Priest/Prophet -- I think that these two go hand and hand. I view this just as I talk with other women that are wanting to marry. It is very important that the hubsna dbe on a higher spiritual level than the wife. This way, when he says something, it can be understood that he's saying it for a reason. For example, you may want to go out and eat with some people on a given night. Your husband may say no because he is feeling as though God is wanting you not to go. As the priest/prophet of the house, it should be understood that he's not trying to let you have no fun but rather that there is a spiritual dimension that you (general) may not see. As the wife, you want to be able to trust the judgment of your husband. Additionally, the way that I look at it is that because I am held responsible for submitting to my husband (not for my husband loving me) when he says to do something, even if I don't agree, it's better to heed to what he says as the head of the household........... BTW, where did the statement "The husband may be the head but the wife is the neck originate from"? I would agree with your first assessment, however I know too many families where the husband is on a "so called higher" spiritual level, yet his wife does respect him. If your wife does not respect you, unfortunately others will pick up on that, and he'd have a hard time gaining respect from any man. I absolutely agree with recognizing your husband as the Prophet of the house. There are many times where I have asked my husband about going somewhere with a couple of ladies, and he responded I don't think you should go. I could have questioned why, but deep down inside I didn't want to go. I dont know exactly what happened on that night with the ladies, but till this day one of the ladies said, be grateful that you didn't come with us. I didn't press her for information, I just counted it a blessing, that whatever happened, my name would be nowhere in it. |
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Post by keita on Feb 25, 2006 22:39:39 GMT -5
Good stuff, elderbeck! Speak On! The neck however doesnt CONTROL the head. It supports the head. Physically speaking it is the brain which is located in the head which sends the signal to the neck to tell it what to do. There are things the neck does autonomously which keita pointed out. However there are things the neck needs instruction on what to do and how to do it. Okay, Bro Giants. We don't have complete agreement about some of that but it's close enough for me to give a good "Amen" so that we can get on back to: Lead on, my brother(s)! Well I dont understand why we wouldnt agree completely. LOL! Okay, explaining that could take a minute... My not agreeing completely with what you stated in your post was more about things like your "correcting" what I did not say by repeating what I actually did, as well as some semantic issues. But for me, it was sort of like when someone misses your point, but still comes close enough that arguing really isn't worth it in light of a bigger issue and greater good. That's why I was more than willing to move on from that exchange by choosing to focus on our places of agreement, which were actually greater anyhow. But now with regard to these statements: we would still not be in complete agreement, not only for the same reasons I stated above, but also because imho, some of your biological explanation/information on the head and neck is incorrect. Yet, again, and as much as I might want to, I don't think this thread would be the best place for us to hash all that out, because some serious hijacking could ensue. Finally, let me say that my responding to the "head/neck" thing at all was initially and primarily because I simply figured Jasmine's very use of the word "control" in her post/joke/analogy just might be something of a "hot button" for some. Especially on this thread and in the men's forum ... LOL!  So, once again, moving on from heads and necks (Thanks Nina for that origin info!): The problem with men and women as far as relationships go is that there is often a battle over who has the CONTROL over a situation. However if we would truly recognize our ROLES we wouldnt have control issues. There are three ROLES a man in his home occupy.. Prophet Priest King Here is why I keep asking the question... As men...If we dont understand the roles we occupy then how in the world can we be what GOD ordained us to be? For women... If you dont understand and value the role of the man and YOUR role as it pertains to the man ( aka the head ) you will undervalue. misunderstand and possibly ABUSE what you have. I have heard many women talk and in all honesty many women dont know a THING about men and very very few know a thing about a man of GOD. I want a man I want a man God where is my man.. and I hear God saying " You want a man " You dont even know what a man is or appreciate the gift of a man. As men we are a LOT more than folks who pay your bills, strole your hair, tell you that you pretty, and give you some legalized sex. Prophet Priest King discuss.... I appreciated every bit of that, as well as all the wisdom that sisters have brought to this thread, especially in the last few posts! I suppose we could also ask where did the :prophet, priest, king originate from since it is not literally in the bible- or is it? |
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Post by nina on Feb 26, 2006 4:43:49 GMT -5
I have a question: The man being king, priest and prophet of the household... He becomes king, priest and prophet when he becomes a husband which, obviously, implies having a wife. We know that one cannot, overnight, assume such a position in a relationship. What I would like to know is how does the man relate to his wife, in each aspect of who he is - king, priest, prophet - as a husband? For example, as a king: how does he relate his kingship to his wife? Doesn't it make her the queen and, as such, give her some prerogatives? Or, does that make her only a subject of his kingdom only fit to bow and obey? I think it needs to be clear, otherwise such power given but misunderstood can be more harmful than anything else. As mentioned before, it could indeed become a control issue. It is important for both the husband and the wife to fully understand what it means and does not mean. Just a quick comment about the head/neck analogy: I would like to add that in the neck also are located very vital organs. One is the voice box, another is the part linking to the mouth and the breathing system. Also, it is actually the seat of the part of the brain which activity or non activity determines "clinical death". All of these are "vital" to the good functioning of all the parts of a human being, including the brain which needs O2 to stay alive..... So, it might not be so much about seeing eye to eye, the eye being the lamp of the body, but more "mouth to mouth", and the meaning of the breath of man, which not only keeps life flowing but, eventually, resurrects it |
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Post by elderbeck NSI on Feb 27, 2006 8:36:40 GMT -5
I suppose we could also ask where did the :prophet, priest, king originate from since it is not literally in the bible- or is it? sister bee....it is in the bible... those are all the things christ was for this bride.... |
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Post by Jasmine nsi on Feb 27, 2006 15:40:41 GMT -5
But does that mean that everything Christ is to the bride, the implication should be that the husband is also as such to the wife?
One scripture says that the husband is to Love his wife as Christ loved the church..where else in scripture do we see the above references?
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Post by elderbeck NSI on Feb 28, 2006 8:16:40 GMT -5
But does that mean that everything Christ is to the bride, the implication should be that the husband is also as such to the wife? One scripture says that the husband is to Love his wife as Christ loved the church..where else in scripture do we see the above references? I think one thing to keep in mind about that scripture is that its a commandment and not just a statement. When dealing with this one passage, it goes very deep beyond natural objective love, its a subjective love..it is the love that we as men should emulate when loving our wives.. So in order to fulfill it we have to understand all the ways that christ loved the church and everything he was to the church. Those things that Brother Giants brought up are just a small portion of how Christ loved the church. |
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