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Post by keita on Oct 3, 2007 2:13:19 GMT -5
But I don't think the context of that scripture changes any of the the fact and truth of the words Jesus spoke regarding what is (and isn't) defiling to us, and how that works.
So, what are you thinking about Mt 15:11?
When Jesus said that what comes out of a man defiles him, it isn't just words that he's speaking about. The fact of the matter is that no four-letter word or racial or sexist slur has power in and of itself. You're defiled by your words when the intent is to harm. If my wife and I have an understanding, then we both know that the intent of certain words used is not to harm. Now, to me, that doesn't mean that I advocate saying any and everything in the bedroom, like Weeks does.[/size] [/quote] So bro kb, are you saying that according to Jesus, the "defiling/defilement" of a person is (largely? solely? also?) determined by the intent of their words/actons? If so, would that apply to the "marriage bed" as well? And what then is the problem with (Weeks or anyone else) "saying any and everything in the bedroom" as long as the couple has, as you said, agreed that their " intent of certain words used is not to harm"? |
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Post by abundanceofpraise on Oct 3, 2007 2:23:15 GMT -5
So are you guys saying it doesn't matter what you say it just the way you say it that matters..........I think that is true in alote of cases.........Cause I know with me somebody would come to me a tell me something It may not be exactly what they said but it was the way they said it that made me soooooo angry inside.....I can't stand that!!
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Post by keita on Oct 3, 2007 2:33:54 GMT -5
So are you guys saying it doesn't matter what you say it just the way you say it that matters.......... I'm not, but I can't speak for bro kb (or others who may have said the same). |
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Post by abundanceofpraise on Oct 3, 2007 2:36:55 GMT -5
Ohhhhhhhh I see kieta where you are coming from...... I was just trying to get clarity on what you guys are saying.
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Post by MsKayLander on Oct 3, 2007 7:28:39 GMT -5
We are so concerned about this and we kill folks everyday with out tongues... as Krazee stated... it is the intent when the words are used and most times (general) our intentions are not pure....
I'm with you Keita... I'm just gonna hide my flag!!!! LOL
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Post by keita on Oct 3, 2007 10:16:13 GMT -5
I'm with you Keita... I'm just gonna hide my flag!!!! LOL Oh no, no, no sis! Keita ain't tryna go there just yet, lol!  Plus, as we've seen so clearly, GOD is seriously into exposure right in through here  , lol! I'm still not sure whether to wave my "freak flag" high, only raise it to half mast, quietly retire it to the attic, or just burn it in repentance, lol!
So honestly, at this point, I'm really just working on rightly dividing and understanding Hebrews 13:4 as GOD intended.
Can I get some help with that here? 
Or do I need to start a separate thread in the "Bible Study" section? 'Cause y'all know I will, lol!  I'm just wanting to get real and be clear about the available "options" in this area of our lives, lol!  |
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Post by MsKayLander on Oct 3, 2007 11:04:56 GMT -5
I think we are making too much out of the scripture.... we only divide the first part when it is the second part of the scripture that matters...
the Arabic version reads, "his bed"; and the Syriac and Ethiopic versions, "their bed"; the bed of such whose marriage is honourable; which is not polluted by admitting others into it, or by acts of fornication and adultery....
I think this is what it means... it's not WHAT you do, but who else you bring in....
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Post by MsKayLander on Oct 3, 2007 11:08:04 GMT -5
Some other information I came across...
God's ideal exclusiveness of the "one flesh" relationship disallows any other relationship: homosexuality, polygamy, adultery, premarital sex, concubinage, incest, bestiality, cultic prostitution. These and other sexual perversions violate the "oneness" of the marriage relationship and were often punishable by death (Lev 20:1-19; Deut 22:13-27; cf. Rom 1:26-32). Becoming "one flesh" is used in Scripture for the consummating sexual act of marriage.
These aspects of "one flesh" argue against premarital sex, promiscuity, and perversion of the sexual act. The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 6:19), so believers should be holy in their sexual conduct (Lev 19:2; 1 Thess 4:3-6; 1 Peter 1:15-16), keeping marriage pure.
Intimacy. Commitment to exclusive sexual intimacy is treated with dignity, considered honorable and undefiled (Heb 13:4). Mutual consent is required for any temporal abstinence from sexual relations (1 Cor 7:1-5). Neither spouse is to exploit the other sexually nor use sex to gratify passionate lust (1 Thess 4:3-7). One is to delight always in the wife of his youth (cf. Prov 5:15-19; Eccl 9:9). This intimate relationship is encouraged by God's portrayal of its beauty and dignity in the Song of Songs.
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 3, 2007 11:21:04 GMT -5
So bro kb, are you saying that according to Jesus, the "defiling/defilement" of a person is (largely? solely? also?) determined by the intent of their words/actons? I'd say "largely." I don't want to push it and say "exclusively" or "solely." Because some of those words, or a semblence thereof, might be spoken in a public setting and that might cause some folks to stumble. |
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Post by Beulah5 on Oct 3, 2007 12:28:44 GMT -5
The Holy Spirit hates foul language. Whether someone is in the early processes of transformation or whether u thought u were 'beyond all that untill one day when u had to quickly repent lol the same still stands ;D . The bible says that no unwholesome words shd come out of our mouths but only that which builds others up so as believers we shd all be striving towards that. Now i dont understand why the word 'dirty' is applied to all bedroom talk. Husbands and wives can speak to each other in graphic details as terms of endearment in a wholesome way without spouting 'street' language and the experience can be even more satisfying-just take a lead from song of songs. I also believe that sweet talk is not just confined to the physical marriage bed-it shd be part of a husband and wife's normal life cause we all know that lovemaking does not just start in the bedroom |
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 3, 2007 13:12:45 GMT -5
What is your thought on the Amp version of Hebrew 13:4? Is it automatically undefiled or do we keep it undefiled. What are some of the things that will defile the marriage bed?
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I copied and paste from Page 1
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“4Let marriage be held in honor (esteemed worthy, precious, of great price, and especially dear) in all things. And thus let the marriage bed be undefiled (kept undishonored); for God will judge and punish the unchaste [all guilty of sexual vice] and adulterous.”
The Amplified Bible gives us the best view and understanding of this scripture. It does not say that marriage is (automatically) honorable, but instead admonishes that it should be held in honor. This scripture in the Amplified also makes it clear that the marriage bed is not (automatically) undefiled but that instead it should be kept undefiled. Lastly, the scripture makes it very clear that sexual vice can not (I add not because I think she made a mistake and left it out) be committed within the confines of marraige.
Now many want to interpret that term “sexual vice” as adultery, (sex with one other than one’s own spouse). However, in the king james version, the word used for sexual vice is “fornicators”. That word literally means in the Greek, illicit or unlawful sexual intercourse — that includes all acts of sexual immorality, not just adultery.
It seems that it would be necessary then to establish what “legal sexual intercourse” is then. Elder Jimmy, you wanted to know what the word “undefiled” means in the Greek. Here it is:
“not defiled, unsoiled
free from that by which the nature of a thing is deformed and debased, or its force and vigour impaired ”
POWERFUL! That seems to shed and entirely new light on this scripture to me. Especially when you use the above definition in place of the word undefiled in the AMP Version of Heb 13:4.
“4Let marriage be held in honor (esteemed worthy, precious, of great price, and especially dear) in all things. And thus let the marriage bed be undefiled [kept free from that by which the nature of it is deformed and debased, or its force and vigour impaired ]; for God will judge and punish the unchaste [all guilty of sexual vice] and adulterous.”
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 4, 2007 16:14:14 GMT -5
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 4, 2007 17:19:14 GMT -5
I was with this article until they say u can't do it D- style ;D  |
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 4, 2007 17:33:16 GMT -5
I was with this article until they say u can't do it D- style ;D That's why I say, I DON"T want to marriage a man of God the transform into a freak in the marriage bed and his d-style, porn, oral, etc. Go down and read the all comments... it is interesting.... if you can handle it... |
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 4, 2007 17:41:11 GMT -5
I was with this article until they say u can't do it D- style ;D That's why I say, I want to marriage a man of God the transform into a freak in the marriage bed and his d-style, porn, oral, etc. Go down and read the all comments... it is interesting.... if you can handle it... porn? Interesting, could you elaborate on this (not the "what" but the "why") ;D |
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, lol!
