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Post by Beck on Oct 5, 2007 12:37:54 GMT -5
I would still like an explanation of what is being termed as " flesh " Natural sexual urges.......the desire to have sex just because you have an urge to not because you are planning to have a baby... Let me borrow from Sister Nikkol: the views expressed on this thread may or may not be my honest opinion  oh no... I dont want to have a baby every time my wife and I come together... When will people understand that sexual desires IS A PART OF HOW GOD CREATED US... |
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Post by abundanceofpraise on Oct 5, 2007 14:19:49 GMT -5
I don't think sex is just for pro-creation.... what about people that aren't able to have children? since they can't procreate they shouldn't have sex??? AMEN Miss Kay Good Question I want to know this as well!!! I was born with a Blood disorder and they said I would never be able to have children unless I get artifically inciminated which I really don't believe in anyway..........Since I am unable to have children/ barren does that mean I can't have sex with my husband........................Please inlighten me!!! |
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Post by MsKayLander on Oct 5, 2007 15:01:46 GMT -5
I guess they won't especially when they believe its only for procreation!
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Post by abundanceofpraise on Oct 5, 2007 16:40:37 GMT -5
I heard that miss Kay!!!! I thought Sex was also to express you love to each other.( between a wife and a husband) Not for just procreation........Man where is Rabbi Giant when you need him...............
PS Im sure Abraham and Sarah got busy several times before God Blessed them with Isaac since she was over 90 years old when Isaac came......
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 5, 2007 17:18:12 GMT -5
Actually, in Jewish culture, sex is/was seen as for procreation. I know one person who even divorced his wife because she couldn't bear children and married someone else in order to have children. Children are/were seen as a blessing. In most biblical stories in reference to women and children, it appeared that the women were either just trying to have A child or trying to have more children than someone else. Basically unable to bear children was seen as a disgrace. (remember Hannah and Rachel and Sarah)
In African culture, in some cultures, women were actually circumsized so that they wouldn't have pleasure in sex but rather it is for pregnancy. (I am NOT advocating this type of behavior)
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Post by abundanceofpraise on Oct 5, 2007 17:23:21 GMT -5
Yeah Nikkol I know all them stories, I understand the jewish culture how it was a discrase to not be ablt to have children...........but We are in a Whole different culture and a WHole different time.............Its not my fault im unable to have children does this mean I have to stay un-married since I can't have children!!! Im a lil confused right now!!!
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 5, 2007 17:38:29 GMT -5
Yeah Nikkol I know all them stories, I understand the jewish culture how it was a discrase to not be ablt to have children...........but We are in a Whole different culture and a WHole different time.............Its not my fault im unable to have children does this mean I have to stay un-married since I can't have children!!! Im a lil confused right now!!! 1) Just because doctor's said you can't have children does NOT mean that you can't...... they told my mom that she would never be able to carry a child (she ended up with 5) and I was told that my cervix wasn't stron enough to carry a child to term and I have two beautiful children. 2) I just answered in reference to Jewish culture and children; which is not the same culture that we have. Therefore, I wouldn't use the "if/then" clause saying: "If I can't have children, I can't get married". Nor do I believe that scripture would indicate such. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 5, 2007 17:43:11 GMT -5
Yeah Nikkol I know all them stories, I understand the jewish culture how it was a discrase to not be ablt to have children...........but We are in a Whole different culture and a WHole different time.............Its not my fault im unable to have children does this mean I have to stay un-married since I can't have children!!! Im a lil confused right now!!! Marriage is not all about having sex and having children.... It is a covenant between a man and a woman. Having children have nothing to do with being in a covenant relationship with a man you love. I want to encourage you.... You may be barren, but that don't mean that God can't open your womb and allow you to produce. There was a lady in my church from Africa, who was also barren.... She cried out to God and my apostle lay hand on her and pray. The lady and her husband have been marry for a while and tried everything available to have children (they are well off financially). She got pregnant! and had a beautiful baby girl (she about 13 now). After the baby was born they had a big celebration, their families came in from Africa and different part of the US... Now she have three kids!!! she have a little boy that is about 3 or 21/2 and a baby girl that is 1 year old. If God can move for her and many other.... He can work a miracle for YOU!!! |
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Post by abundanceofpraise on Oct 5, 2007 17:52:38 GMT -5
Amen Thank you guys for the encouragment!!! I was very hurt when the docter told me I would never be able to have children. Nobody that has my condition have been able to have children so I just been tryingto live withthat fact that it would never happen.........I do have several neices and nephews thar I absolutley adore so its not to bad..........I know that we serve a miracle working God and if its the Lord will im sure He will make it happen........
Love
jessica
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 5, 2007 19:59:07 GMT -5
Yeah Nikkol I know all them stories, I understand the jewish culture how it was a discrase to not be ablt to have children...........but We are in a Whole different culture and a WHole different time.............Its not my fault im unable to have children does this mean I have to stay un-married since I can't have children!!! Im a lil confused right now!!! Marriage is not all about having sex and having children.... It is a covenant between a man and a woman. Having children have nothing to do with being in a covenant relationship with a man you love. who told you that? Covenant means binding agreement...thats ALL marriage is. an agreement / promise between a man and a woman. The benefit to marriage IS having sex The benefit to marriage IS having children because if you aren't married, you shouldn't have either, unless your adopting, or the Holy Spirit impregnates you. sooo..marriage, children, sex, have a whole LOT to do with the man you love. For instance: You want to have kids, your being courted and the man you "LOVE" says I don't ever want kids. Ok Why would you want to marry a man who doesn't want to have kids? think about it. they all go hand in hand. |
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Post by abundanceofpraise on Oct 5, 2007 20:51:50 GMT -5
Marriage is not all about having sex and having children.... It is a covenant between a man and a woman. Having children have nothing to do with being in a covenant relationship with a man you love. who told you that? Covenant means relationship...thats ALL marriage is. A relationship with benefits. The benefit to marriage IS having sex The benefit to marriage IS having children because if you aren't married, you shouldn't have either, unless your adopting, or the Holy Spirit impregnates you. sooo..marriage, children, sex, have a whole LOT to do with the man you love. For instance: You want to have kids, your being courted and the man you "LOVE" says I don't ever want kid. Ok Why would you want to marry a man who doesn't want to have kids? think about it. they all go hand in hand. I totally agree Jazz!!! and Ive already explained my conditon with my boyfriend, cuzz I know alote of crazy guys don't want anything to do with you if you cannot have kids, soooooo im always upfront and honest about everything. After I told him he was sooooooo Understanding about it.....Ohhhh don't worry saints im celibant. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 5, 2007 21:48:54 GMT -5
Marriage is not all about having sex and having children.... It is a covenant between a man and a woman. Having children have nothing to do with being in a covenant relationship with a man you love. who told you that? Covenant means binding agreement...thats ALL marriage is. an agreement / promise between a man and a woman. The benefit to marriage IS having sex The benefit to marriage IS having children When I said not ALL about... I am saying it is MORE THAN having sex and having children. Some ppl can not have children and when marriage based on sex, it usually don't last. When I get marry I may or may not be able to have children... so it won't be for having children and it certainly won't be base on sex alone. It will be a covenant relationship that is ordained by God for His purpose for our lives and Love. If he is the person that God have me to marry, why should I look any place else. Either God don't want me to have children or God will put the desire for children in his heart. I rather God's choice than my own. He know what is good and right for me. Are you saying if a person can not have children, shouldn't get marriage? or If a person that are married, get sick or injured and can not have sex, should get a divorce, to release the marriage partner to re-marry to have sex? It is not ALL about that, there are plenty other thing that are included in marriage. I was trying to encourage abundanceofpraise, because she said she can not have children... That should stop her from getting marry. God always have a ram in the bush.... he has someone that will accept her as she is. |
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Post by keita on Oct 5, 2007 22:49:26 GMT -5
THE DEVIL IS A LIAR!!!!!!![/b][/i] LOLOLOL!!![/b][/i] Now look here. As I've recently told y'all, I am a menopausal woman of GOD who is about a breath away from turning 50. (And let me tell you that when GOD brings you to it, the "latter" really is "greater than the former". So the best is yet to come for all of us! ) But, unless GOD has other plans, if HE blesses us with long life, a whole lot of that "latter" won't include conceiving or birthing no babies...at least not in the natural . Yet, I am engaged.  And, speaking of supernatural "birthings"... I THANK GOD that this time (and for the first time ), I will neither need to "birth out a man"  , nor "raise", nor "train" one up. Because when GOD, who is my first LOVE, found, wooed and married me, HE made me HIS wife[/b]. As a happily "married (single) woman", married to the PERFECT HUSBAND, I had no more need to be trying to "find" any other. The "exhale", that I'd been holding so long while "waiting to" that I almost fainted, was...and is, exquisite, because GOD became my "INHALE" ... the very AIR I breathe. And, when GOD chose to make, and finished forming me into a suitable helpmeet[/i], I was found[/b] by a "he who finds"[/b] that was first, found worthyby MY FATHER,...MY ALWAYS and ETERNAL HUSBAND. So when my man showed up, he was already "formed and made in the image of GOD". HALLELUJAH!!![/b][/i] Now we're planning marriage. ;D (So Organist?... Go on and hit my key!.....lol!!!)............. I am enVISIONing...(HUH!)...and PLAINly making it known,....(HUH!)...
I have FAITHfully waited,...(HUH!)...And I said FAITHfully,...(HUH!)...
which doesn't mean "perfectly",... (HUH!)...because WAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITING,....(HUH!)...
will sorely and surely try,...(HUH!)...even the very best of the saints,...(HUH!)...
But NOW,...(HUH!)... I stand to declare,...(HUH!)...my EV-ER-Y INTENTion of having ,...(HUH!)...a HOLY GHOST-filled,...(HUH!)... FIRE BAPTIZED,...(HUH!)... barn-burner of a wedding night,...(HUH!)...a most passionate hon-ey-moooooon,...(HUH!)...and a hot and healing marriage bed,...(HUH!)... for however long,...(HUH!)...GOD gives us LIFE,...(HUH!)...and keeps us able.[/b][/i] I just stopped by to tell you,...(HUH!)... that I will not be denied,...(HUH!)...not by anyone or anything but GOD!!!...(HUH!)...
And so my brothers and sisters,...(HUH!)...just one more thing,...(HUH!)...and I'm going to my seat,...(HUH!)...[/b][/i] DONT Y'ALL MAKE ME HURT NOBODY UP IN HERE!!![/b][/i] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D (Keita comes, calms, and sits down,...opens her Bible, her eyes and her ears, to thoroughly search GOD's Mind and Heart regarding the marriage bed. Because she's found out that no matter how, however much or even why she may want what she wants the way she wants it ...GOD'S WAY is always not only better, but the very best, and ALL that matters. And also because she's discovered that when pursuing HIS TRUTH in a matter, scripture interprets itself, by HIS SPIRIT, and GOD speaks. But mostly because she's learned that GOD is always in even the smallest "details" of any plan HE gives. And, as it says in the Book of Proverbs, "It's the little foxes that spoil the vine."  )
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 6, 2007 0:54:04 GMT -5
OK, now I think I see the link between a prophetic calling and mental disorders that y'all were discussing in the other thread. ;D
Sis, you know I love ya!
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 6, 2007 1:08:29 GMT -5
who told you that? Covenant means binding agreement...thats ALL marriage is. an agreement / promise between a man and a woman. The benefit to marriage IS having sex The benefit to marriage IS having children When I said not ALL about... I am saying it is MORE THAN having sex and having children. Some ppl can not have children and when marriage based on sex, it usually don't last. When I get marry I may or may not be able to have children... so it won't be for having children and it certainly won't be base on sex alone. It will be a covenant relationship that is ordained by God for His purpose for our lives and Love. AT, I just don't want you to get the wrong assumption regarding MARRIAGE and SEX. they go hand in hand. Also, all marriages are a Covenant relationship. Its a binding agreement to love, honor,cherish, uphold, and remain faithful. God had a covenant relationship with Isreal, inwhich He promised to protect them if they kept His laws and were faithful unto him. Isreal BROKE the covenant many times... Or quite possibly, He ain't the one to be courting you. In any event I would rather know before I say I DO that me and my future husband are with "one accord" with something so important as "child bearing" Nope. ? In no such way did I even remotely suggest that. What I did say and I will say it again..Marriage and sex goes hand in hand. If something was to happen, and my husband and I were no longer able to have come together in such a way..Our love for each other will overcome any situation. [/quote] Absolutely its not ALL about sex and children, but it IS very important. . Again, you've misinterpreted, because again not once did I suggest or even imply that one should not get married if they can't have sex or kids. Being unable to have children should not stop her or anyone from getting married. God knows all about abundant and her desire. He even knows what the doctor has said, but If the doctors report aint consistent with what the Lord has said and already pre-destined before the foundation of the earth...shoot that doctor aint said nothing! |
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