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Post by Melani23 on Aug 24, 2007 9:20:10 GMT -5
Well, it is official: the Whites are getting a divorce. They made the announcement to their church last night. www.tbo.com/news/nationworld/MGBA6S84Q5F.htmlAnother thing I would like to say is that I don't think that just because a person is divorced that they can no longer be an effective leader or that they even lose their anointing. Of course, they will need to sit the sidelines for a while and from there continue to let God minister healing to them. Kitty, you do bring up a good point with these "power couples" and separate callings. Now, I know I might get some backlash for saying this, but I believe that a wife is to primarily be a helpmeet for her husband, not just in the home, but in ministry also and not have her "own thing" take center stage. She can have her own aspect of ministry, but it needs to be submitted to that of her husband. I see both Paula and Juanita falling short in that respect. This egalitarian mindset has really messed the church up and it has things so out of order till it ain't funny. I agree with this to a point - ex. a Proverbs 31 woman is doing 'her own thing' to support her family too. Notice also Abagail's help of David. It just takes a STRONGER MAN to handle a STRONG WOMAN. ;D ;D  Also, both Juanita and Paula's 'ministry' is to women. Sorry, but a man knows very little (as he should), what it means to be a woman........  |
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Post by kitty on Aug 24, 2007 9:32:19 GMT -5
Melani,
I agree with you. There wasn't anything wrong with Juanita's ministry to single women. She just should have kept her ministry focused on single women!!! I also think that she should have cut back on all of the touring and being in the public's eye until she was well into her marriage.
I think it is ok if a woman is the front runner for a ministry. Look at Joyce Myers sp? She and her husband Dave seem to have a strong marriage. And yes... I too agree that it takes a strong man to handle a strong woman!!
Kitty
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Post by Rachel2 on Aug 24, 2007 9:36:12 GMT -5
Kitty, you do bring up a good point with these "power couples" and separate callings. Now, I know I might get some backlash for saying this, but I believe that a wife is to primarily be a helpmeet for her husband, not just in the home, but in ministry also and not have her "own thing" take center stage. She can have her own aspect of ministry, but it needs to be submitted to that of her husband. I see both Paula and Juanita falling short in that respect. This egalitarian mindset has really messed the church up and it has things so out of order till it ain't funny. I was thinking the same thing after reading about Juanita and Paula. It occured to me that their marriages had to be out of balance with the amount of time they spend traveling alone in ministry. Although Juanita brought Thomas into the spotlight in the beginning it was always clear to me that she was the "superstar" of the team, like she was before they married. Maybe the problem there is that nothing changed as far as Juanita's ministry was concerned. Obviously, something should have changed since she is no longer a single woman. I have never (maybe an oversight on my part) seen Randy and Paula together in ministry. Then I thought about Dave and Joyce Meyer (don't get me wrong I am not saying that the same thing couldn't happen to them) but they do ministry as a team. Dave is always with her and she admits that she could not do it without him. God called her to be the mouthpiece but Dave makes it all happen behind the scene. To me this is how partnership in ministry with married couples shoud be. |
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Post by kitty on Aug 24, 2007 9:41:42 GMT -5
So Kraze Boi...
What do you think about Joyce?
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 24, 2007 9:54:36 GMT -5
Melani, I agree with you. There wasn't anything wrong with Juanita's ministry to single women. She just should have kept her ministry focused on single women!!! I also think that she should have cut back on all of the touring and being in the public's eye until she was well into her marriage. I think it is ok if a woman is the front runner for a ministry. Look at Joyce Myers sp? She and her husband Dave seem to have a strong marriage. And yes... I too agree that it takes a strong man to handle a strong woman!! Kitty I believe once we start trying to define what and who a person should minister to we are fooling ourselves and we are limiting the ministering Power of the Lord Jesus Christ and reducing HIM to the life expriences of the vessel. I see in other posts people talking about how can a man minister to women  So Jesus cant minister because he doesnt have estrogen and a uterus ? True ministry is by the Lord THROUGH a vessel, not the vessel Through the Lord. |
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Post by Rachel2 on Aug 24, 2007 9:56:58 GMT -5
So Kraze Boi... What do you think about Joyce? Kitty I believe that Joyce's ministy is submitted to Dave. I have heard her say on may occasions while in conference or on TV talk shows, that Dave tells her which engagements she can and cannot take. And she said that she is appreciative of him because she knows that he has her best interest at heart. She said he will tell her quick, no you cannot do this or that because you need to get your rest. And she is not resentful. I agree that it may take a stronger man to handle a strong woman, but I also believe that if they are both walking according to the spirit and not the flesh, being strong has nothing to do with it. It's just a simple matter of being in the position that God called you to be in. Dave is in the position that God put him in as Joyce's husband and ministry partner and this is why they work so well together. |
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Post by Melani23 on Aug 24, 2007 10:00:23 GMT -5
Melani, I agree with you. There wasn't anything wrong with Juanita's ministry to single women. She just should have kept her ministry focused on single women!!! I also think that she should have cut back on all of the touring and being in the public's eye until she was well into her marriage. I think it is ok if a woman is the front runner for a ministry. Look at Joyce Myers sp? She and her husband Dave seem to have a strong marriage. And yes... I too agree that it takes a strong man to handle a strong woman!! Kitty I believe once we start trying to define what and who a person should minister to we are fooling ourselves and we are limiting the ministering Power of the Lord Jesus Christ and reducing HIM to the life expriences of the vessel. I see in other posts people talking about how can a man minister to women So Jesus cant minister because he doesnt have estrogen and a uterus ? True ministry is by the Lord THROUGH a vessel, not the vessel Through the Lord.  No, but they are minstering their past experience of how God helped them as women. Example, some women were abused/raped/etc. So, how can a MAN minister to these women/issues with no life experience? Men are quick to say 'females need to have covering' or 'be under authority/submit to a man' in ministry, but can a man really speak to certain issues and should he in certain cases?  Even TD Jakes can't touch upon certain female issues....  |
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Post by livinganewlife on Aug 24, 2007 10:00:40 GMT -5
There is FAR FAR FAR too much divorce and remarriage in leadership and in te Body of Christ. People dont like to hear it but the scripture gives us clear grounds for the rules of remarriage. If that other spouse aint dead.. You DONT remarry. Leaders getting divorced two and three times AINT GOD !!!!! Period. GDD i agree, even in the political arena divorce is frowned upon, what President has been divorced and remarried two and three times..... A leader should posses certain character traits such as stability and self discipline........ |
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Post by kitty on Aug 24, 2007 10:15:02 GMT -5
Hey Giants,
I wasn't trying to suggest that women can't minister to men. Or men to women... My quote was to suggest that Juanita has a certain strength in a certain area of ministry and that she should have continued to focus on that area until she had the experience and wisdom to ministry on marriage.
I agree that God can use anyone to minister to anyone else... The bottom line is that people are quick to want a title and claiming to be called to types of ministry when the most likely aren't.
Kitty
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 24, 2007 10:17:17 GMT -5
I am some what surprise to hear that the White is divorcing.... It do take a strong man to deal with a woman in the front line in ministry... If a man not comfortable being on the sideline... there going to be some problems.
Thomas Week knew what he was getting into before he marry Juanite Bynum. He knew he was dealing with a strong woman who ready in the height of her ministry and very well known. He knew that he will be known as Juanita Bynum's husband and not Juanita being Thomas Week's wife.
Paula and Randy have I believe 17 years of marriage... that sad.. At least they doing it peacefully.
Juanita Bynum and Paula White are called to minister to women in the area that most men can reach.
AT
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Post by Rachel2 on Aug 24, 2007 10:59:43 GMT -5
A direct quote from the Whites longtime friend. I agree with his observation. Church has become big business and that's the real problem.
Without Walls church board member Alick Clarke of Acton, Calif., a longtime friend, said the impending divorce is sad news.
"They were like my heroes. I really love them," he said. "But I'm also a little pissed off. I didn't help them build their dream to have them throw it all away."
An Australian-born businessman, Clarke said he's given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the church since it was founded by the Whites in 1991 as the South Tampa Christian Center.
He partially blamed the couple's breakup on their devotion to preaching a prosperity message, exhorting followers to give more money to the church in order to be blessed with greater wealth.
"Too many ministries have become big business. That message is desecrating the church today," said Clarke, adding that he was disturbed to learn that with revenues at $40 million last year, the church was $22 million in debt.
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Post by Beck on Aug 24, 2007 11:14:05 GMT -5
A direct quote from the Whites longtime friend. I agree with his observation. Church has become big business and that's the real problem. Without Walls church board member Alick Clarke of Acton, Calif., a longtime friend, said the impending divorce is sad news. "They were like my heroes. I really love them," he said. "But I'm also a little pissed off. I didn't help them build their dream to have them throw it all away." An Australian-born businessman, Clarke said he's given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the church since it was founded by the Whites in 1991 as the South Tampa Christian Center. He partially blamed the couple's breakup on their devotion to preaching a prosperity message, exhorting followers to give more money to the church in order to be blessed with greater wealth.
"Too many ministries have become big business. That message is desecrating the church today," said Clarke, adding that he was disturbed to learn that with revenues at $40 million last year, the church was $22 million in debt. Aint nothing like the naked truth! |
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Post by livinganewlife on Aug 24, 2007 11:16:00 GMT -5
A direct quote from the Whites longtime friend. I agree with his observation. Church has become big business and that's the real problem. Without Walls church board member Alick Clarke of Acton, Calif., a longtime friend, said the impending divorce is sad news. "They were like my heroes. I really love them," he said. "But I'm also a little pissed off. I didn't help them build their dream to have them throw it all away." An Australian-born businessman, Clarke said he's given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the church since it was founded by the Whites in 1991 as the South Tampa Christian Center. He partially blamed the couple's breakup on their devotion to preaching a prosperity message, exhorting followers to give more money to the church in order to be blessed with greater wealth.
"Too many ministries have become big business. That message is desecrating the church today," said Clarke, adding that he was disturbed to learn that with revenues at $40 million last year, the church was $22 million in debt.
There is no loyalty or accountability to anyone, and they think they are doing God’s work just because folks are hyped and running and you can raise an offering…… The situations that are going on in churches now can be compared to the Enron scandals that rocked the secular world……
How are you going to divide the ministry divorced (no longer unionized as one) and operate the ministry divorced…
I mean what is all of this saying to the world about God? It makes God looks as if he is suffering from some kind of mental disorder….this week Paula can minister next week, Randy, week after that T. Weeks and his new wife and next week JB……
What is the purpose of marriage? Is marriage really a ministry and if marriage is a ministry and you walk away from that ministry shouldn’t you be stripped as a minister…
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 24, 2007 11:21:21 GMT -5
LANL: Well, let's look at scripture:
1 timothy 3
1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
I think you answered your own question. ;D
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Post by Beck on Aug 24, 2007 11:30:43 GMT -5
I think we are missing the mark by classifying preachers as "woman preachers", or "men preachers". the spirit of God is not subject to gender, he is no respect of person. God calls whom he desires to minister to the Body of Christ. Men and women alike have been blessed by the ministry of these individuals. It was the thou art loosed ministry by Jakes that helped those women who are mentioned in this thread reach their full potential.. not because Jakes is so such a much, but because the spirit knows just what to say and the vessel just needs to be obedient.
Secondly Sure it takes a strong man to handle a strong woman... But a strong (annointed woman) knows her place with her husband. The both of them should respect the gift that comes from God and flow as the spirit leads.
Priscilla and Aquila is a example of a marriage team via the scriptures... they both pulled apollos to the side and showed him a more excellent way concerning God.Paul refers to them as Priscilla and Aquila in romans 16:3 and then he refers to them as Aquila and Priscilla in 1 cor 16:19 based on whom the spirit was using to minister. But the most important thing is you see them both working together.
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