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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 26, 2007 16:59:23 GMT -5
Sis. Beulah, you said it right. If one is married, marriage and family constitutes the FIRST ministry; all others fall under it. The wife's ministry is to be submitted to the authority of her husband, and the husband's wife is to be submitted to the considerations of his wife. Bishop Noel Jones is candid about why his marriage didn't survive; he was out and about preaching here and there, and as a result, his marriage suffered because he neglected his first ministry. His excuse then was, "Well, you knew I was a preacher with a demanding schedule when you met me." However, when one marries, it's no longer about the individual; it's about the two as a couple. Even my own body doesn't belong to me once I'm married.
And Sis. Keita, a small correction: when the Samaritan woman at the well told Jesus she had no husband, Jesus told her she was right, because she had five in the past and the man she had at the time (not married) wasn't her husband. Had she actually married the man she was living with, Jesus wouldn't have told her that she was right.
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Post by keita on Aug 26, 2007 18:10:47 GMT -5
And Sis. Keita, a small correction: when the Samaritan woman at the well told Jesus she had no husband, Jesus told her she was right, because she had five in the past and the man she had at the time (not married) wasn't her husband. Had she actually married the man she was living with, Jesus wouldn't have told her that she was right. LOL@ bro kb, aka "CONTEXT MAN"! I figured you would call me on that, lol! (Although I will say that that particular and popular interpretation of the encounter could and does get a lot of interesting discussion....) But at any rate it was Jesus' words, "That man you are with is not your husband" that I was after. Nevertheless, and if in fact I did, I shouldn't have taken them out of their context. Not even to make my point which was that marrying out of GOD's will can make living and doing marriage GOD's way that much more difficult. I believe that a lot of what we are presently seeing is the fruit of feminizing the Church and its leadership. And I believe there is both Godly and ungodly divorce, with not enough understanding of the difference and way too much of the latter going on among us. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 26, 2007 23:12:18 GMT -5
Not even to make my point which was that marrying out of GOD's will can make living and doing marriage GOD's way that much more difficult.
I gotcha Sis. Keita, and I do agree.
I believe that a lot of what we are presently seeing is the fruit of feminizing the Church and its leadership.
Interesting. I've heard this before, but would you mind going into some depth?
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 27, 2007 8:19:16 GMT -5
I have never heard this before please expound on that.
I agree there are conditions where God allows divorce and remarriage but I see far too much ungodly divorce and remarriage among leadership.
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 27, 2007 8:21:27 GMT -5
you know whats sad about this stuff. It isnt just hurting those two people. Its hurting entire congregations..
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Post by Melani23 on Aug 27, 2007 9:52:25 GMT -5
I don't think it is wrong.... There is a different between put away or separation and divorce.... We interpret the scripture differently. A divorced person is not under bondage... There is life after a divorce. AT No disprect, but the scriptures are not subject to private interpretation. We are called to RIGHTFULLY divide the Word of Truth, not accept the truths we want to or are comfortable with. You can choose to interpret it how you want but the scripture is clear. "But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, let her remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not send his wife away." (1 Cor 7:10-11). That is clear and straight forward. If you divorce your spouse the scripture says that THE LORD's command is that if you do you are to remain UNMARRIED or reconcile with your former spouse. Might not be the popular view. But its the BIBLICAL view. This one scripture about marriage is correct, but there are other scritptures equally correct, such as: But if the unbelieving [husband or wife] depart, let him [or her] depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases" 1Cor.7:15.But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace I Cor 7:15 (NKJV). But to the rest speak I, not the Lord. If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the [believing] woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him 1Cor.7:12-13.1 Corinthians 7:2, “Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.Jesus also made the same point in the Matthew account, in Matthew 19:9. Here Jesus says, “Whoever,” therefore telling everyone and including everyone, “divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another commits adultery.” BYW, here's more of the 1 Cor. 7 verse: And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, "Let not the [believing] wife depart from her [believing] husband. But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled unto her husband; and let not the [believing] husband put away his [believing] wife". The [believing] wife is bound by the law [of God] as long as her [believing] husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will, only in the Lord [This applies to husbands, too] 1Cor.7:10-11,39.All too often many religious denominations infected with a religious spirit (you can tell if one has a hearing ear) hold various doctrinal approaches to women and not men in regards to remarriage. They are quick to condemn women, not men for the same actions, quoting the Bible even.  Here's once such example about remarriage after desertion. And I have heard this even from members of certain 'Apostolic/Pentcostal' denominations: "If the unbeliever is the wife, she is still not allowed to marry another man, as she is still bound in marriage to her husband, whom she has deserted, for as long as he lives. The believing husband, by not deserting his wife, has not put her in a position whereby she may commit adultery. He therefore has not, in this matter, violated the law against adultery. He can marry another woman. Nevertheless, if the unbelieving wife repents and returns to him, he should be reconciled with her and accept her back in his household, even if he has married another woman or women." |
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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 27, 2007 10:42:10 GMT -5
you know whats sad about this stuff. It isnt just hurting those two people. Its hurting entire congregations.. I agree... I don't see the ground for their divorce. If they grew apart, can't they grow close again. They invested 17 years in marriage, isn't it worth fighting for? This is really selffish, all about self and don't care about the ppl it will affect and hurt. They got their priority off, it should be: God is first (not family, ministry or church)I like the way Beulah5 described developing a true relationship with God. Most of us got either too busy or lazy to keep a good relationship with God. Some of us became too independent, and decide to do our own thing and call it God. Marriage second - You can not discern and see that you are growing away from your spouse and out of love, if you don't have a good relationship with God. You become blind to the tricks of the enemy. You can become less sensitive to the needs of your mates. family (children and elderly parents) Bad marriage has a big affect on your children. Work and Business (ministry if that where your income come from) Church and Ministries - Church really go before ministries, you need to be fed and regenerated. |
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 27, 2007 11:12:28 GMT -5
I have talked to my husband about this several times. I am a firm believer that my role as his wife is to support him and what God is doing through his life. To think that I'd have a totally separate ministry and therefore we are going in two separate directions would be something that I wouldn't think of.
When he preaches somewhere, I'm always there. (I missed only one time and that was because I had just given birth to our son). When I minister somewhere, he's always there. I couldn't see him preaching somewhere and I am preaching at that same time at a different location because we strengthen each other; we encourage each other. And if my husband or I am praying for someone, we're there with each other. (my husband would pray for the men and I'd pray for the women)
It would seem like because there is so much to do in ministry that they'd work together. We're all part of the same body.....
I do believe that as someone pointed out (can't remember if it's in this thread or the Bynum thread) things have become more difficult based on the push towards feminism within the church.... I think that I've already shared my views on that one though so I'll just observe from the sidelines. :-D
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 27, 2007 11:46:00 GMT -5
No disprect, but the scriptures are not subject to private interpretation. We are called to RIGHTFULLY divide the Word of Truth, not accept the truths we want to or are comfortable with. You can choose to interpret it how you want but the scripture is clear. "But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, let her remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not send his wife away." (1 Cor 7:10-11). That is clear and straight forward. If you divorce your spouse the scripture says that THE LORD's command is that if you do you are to remain UNMARRIED or reconcile with your former spouse. Might not be the popular view. But its the BIBLICAL view. This one scripture about marriage is correct, but there are other scritptures equally correct, such as: But if the unbelieving [husband or wife] depart, let him [or her] depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases" 1Cor.7:15.But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace I Cor 7:15 (NKJV). But to the rest speak I, not the Lord. If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the [believing] woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him 1Cor.7:12-13.1 Corinthians 7:2, “Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.Jesus also made the same point in the Matthew account, in Matthew 19:9. Here Jesus says, “Whoever,” therefore telling everyone and including everyone, “divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another commits adultery.” BYW, here's more of the 1 Cor. 7 verse: And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, "Let not the [believing] wife depart from her [believing] husband. But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled unto her husband; and let not the [believing] husband put away his [believing] wife". The [believing] wife is bound by the law [of God] as long as her [believing] husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will, only in the Lord [This applies to husbands, too] 1Cor.7:10-11,39.All too often many religious denominations infected with a religious spirit (you can tell if one has a hearing ear) hold various doctrinal approaches to women and not men in regards to remarriage. They are quick to condemn women, not men for the same actions, quoting the Bible even. Here's once such example about remarriage after desertion. And I have heard this even from members of certain 'Apostolic/Pentcostal' denominations: "If the unbeliever is the wife, she is still not allowed to marry another man, as she is still bound in marriage to her husband, whom she has deserted, for as long as he lives. The believing husband, by not deserting his wife, has not put her in a position whereby she may commit adultery. He therefore has not, in this matter, violated the law against adultery. He can marry another woman. Nevertheless, if the unbelieving wife repents and returns to him, he should be reconciled with her and accept her back in his household, even if he has married another woman or women." I have already stated that there are scriptural grounds for divorce AND remarriage. Problem is that I see us using the worlds criteria and not the Word of God. |
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Post by MsKayLander on Aug 27, 2007 17:00:48 GMT -5
I think we are missing the mark by classifying preachers as "woman preachers", or "men preachers". the spirit of God is not subject to gender, he is no respect of person. God calls whom he desires to minister to the Body of Christ. Men and women alike have been blessed by the ministry of these individuals. It was the thou art loosed ministry by Jakes that helped those women who are mentioned in this thread reach their full potential.. not because Jakes is so such a much, but because the spirit knows just what to say and the vessel just needs to be obedient. Secondly Sure it takes a strong man to handle a strong woman... But a strong (annointed woman) knows her place with her husband. The both of them should respect the gift that comes from God and flow as the spirit leads. Priscilla and Aquila is a example of a marriage team via the scriptures... they both pulled apollos to the side and showed him a more excellent way concerning God.Paul refers to them as Priscilla and Aquila in romans 16:3 and then he refers to them as Aquila and Priscilla in 1 cor 16:19 based on whom the spirit was using to minister. But the most important thing is you see them both working together. WHAT A WORD!!!!!!!! AWESOME!!! |
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Post by Beulah5 on Aug 29, 2007 12:08:53 GMT -5
Well human beings myself included will always fail. We are commanded to fix our eyes on the only one who is perfect-Christ Jesus.
Excellent post Beck-I actually believe that Priscilla was the writer of the book of Hebrews. *wink*wink
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Post by Beck on Sept 11, 2007 8:04:38 GMT -5
aww paula and randy... do you guys feel left out? No one has posted in your thread in a few days... dont worry... I will fix it for you...LOL
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 11, 2007 8:56:41 GMT -5
LOL.... Beck, you are too much.....
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 11, 2007 12:47:06 GMT -5
Church Service just after Paula White Announces Divorce From Husband Randy White - “Breaking News” Published September 9th, 2007 Randy White , Without Walls Church , paula white , Church Service , divorce , Annoucement The Bishop or Pastor (whatever), couldn’t muster up a word to say to his followers who seemed overwhelmed with emotion towards their controversial leader. He was finally escorted off the stage by the other ministers who were praying over him while he was crying. At one point the host of the online tv program who usually closes out the show seemed to ask Randy if he wanted to say something to the congregation and he seemed to say, no! (taken from you tube) ============================================== This is so sad.    It really made me cry.... This man is hurting and all we think about is Juanita & Thomas Week. AT |
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 11, 2007 13:54:44 GMT -5
AT I wouldn't say that all we think about is JB and Weeks; however people must realize that we were ALL members of the JB Ministry BB prior to the start of this BB.
The name of this BB is JBRefugees (J B standing for Juanita Bynum) so of course we on the BB are more inclined to talk about JB because she was the foundation of this group.......
In a different circle I am sure that many are praying and discussing Paula and Randy White.......
In Memphis there is a blog that has over 2000 posts just on GE Patterson's church selecting a new Pastor....so it just depends on the setting.....as i am sure that very few people on this BB care about who's the next Pastor of GE Patterson's church but in Memphis this one particular thread is HOTTTTT!
At one time ALL on this BB was touched, moved, influenced, inspired, and motivated to carry on our walk with Christ through JB ministry which is why IMO we are so passionate about her and the situation surrounding her...
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