Millions More Movement

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electladynb said:

BTW: In one post there was a mention of a connection with another person's spirit....did this person have the spirit of God? If not, what were you connected with/to?

Thank you, Nikkol. To clarify, that statement is incorrect because unbelievers are spiritually dead, so his spirit could not have connected to mine. The sentence I made after that statement was really all that I meant to say. When that man thought he recognized me, what he was seeing was the One True God, in me. That was what he recognized.

[lanl ns]

Anointed said:

LANL said:

I need to add this: The NOI give our men who are Lost a PURPOSE.............

We teach Christ and present Christ to the men and to the lost but often times beyond the altar call there is no Purpose..........

There is no purpose or true vision without Jesus... What type of purpose? Pride? hatred brain washed and anti-christ Our primary purpose is to be with the Lord Many ministries direct men and women to their true destiny and purpose in Christ. There many pastors and ministers who came to Christ off the street without a purpose or vision. They have powerful testimonies.
AT

At and Nikkol I understand perfectly what you all are saying, but in regards to Purpose I NEVER said that the direction or purpose given to theses people was Pure, True or Perfect.

But what I did say is that to often Christian churches lead people to the Altar and to Christ and leave them there untaught and unlearned. In many cases the Preacher will make the call and then tell the person to go out and Find a Bible Believing Holy Ghost filled church.

That's good and fine but the Nation take these members by the hand and led them to their mosque or whatever is their place of worship.

AT you made my point really, for the majority the purpose that many are called to or think that they are called to is to the office of (not the ministry of) Minister, Elder, Pastor or Evangelist.

And when one is a new convert many cannot see that far down the road unless God distinctly calls them.

And we know that not everyone is going to be a Pastor, Minister or Preacher for that matter, than where does that leaves them in term of leadership within the church or within their communities.

In most of our churches men and women cannot hold leadership positions unless they are either Pastors, Elders, Missionaries etc....... The NOI tells these men that they are responsible for their communities and the uplifting of their families and people.

that is the purpose that drive these men, now whether the purpose is true, prideful or whatever that is the hope that they have.

Those of us who interact with men know that most men need a purpose to survive.

Which is why God gave a purpose to Adam from the beginning.................

[Anointed Teacher]

lanl said:

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AT you made my point really, for the majority the purpose that many are called to or think that they are called to is to the office of (not the ministry of) Minister, Elder, Pastor or Evangelist.

And when one is a new convert many cannot see that far down the road unless God distinctly calls them.

And we know that not everyone is going to be a Pastor, Minister or Preacher for that matter, than where does that leaves them in term of leadership within the church or within their communities.

In most of our churches men and women cannot hold leadership positions unless they are either Pastors, Elders, Missionaries etc....... The NOI tells these men that they are responsible for their communities and the uplifting of their families and people.

that is the purpose that drive these men, now whether the purpose is true, prideful or whatever that is the hope that they have.

Those of us who interact with men know that most men need a purpose to survive.

Which is why God gave a purpose to Adam from the beginning.................

I was not speaking of calling or ministries, I was speaking of purpose, vision and destiny that God set for a man and woman.

AT

[MsKayLander]

I found these remarks interesting.... any comments???

We are on the verge of a great chastisement from God. Although this is a painful truth, we must heed it. We have been playing with God and marketing Jesus like a commodity, but we are unwilling to walk after Jesus. We think that it is sufficient to lift him up in praise. While that is good, the best way to lift Jesus is to follow in his footsteps. He said, “If any man would be my disciple, he must first deny himself.” Denying yourself is denying the things of self that he and the God Who he represents disapproves of. Can you deny yourself the fleshly lusts, the appetites that keep our minds revolving on a low plane, even though you are in church and singing in the choir, or in the mosque preaching the word or bowing down in prayer, or in the synagogue praising Yahweh? When the service is over, we enjoyed the music and word, but they had no power to make us desire to do better with our lives.

“If any man would be my disciple, he must first deny himself.” All of the prophets taught fasting. Why does God want you to deny yourself food? If you can step away from food—which is natural—and water—which is life itself—then you can step away from lying, cheating, and discipline your sexual appetites to be a non-fornicator or non-adulterer. So God may ask us to fast in order to build your discipline. What God really wants us to deny is the evil that we do and enjoy doing. We must start on the road to discipleship.

In the word “disciple” is the word “discipline.” One of the things absent today is our willingness to discipline ourselves. In the Book of James in the Bible, we read about how the tongue may be a little a member in the body, but how big a fire a small spark can produce. Can any man or woman tame the tongue? We love gossip, slander, talking on a level that does not feed the spirit of goodness; we love feeding each other garbage. The tongue is a small member, but it is a powerful rudder that can turn around big ships. An undisciplined tongue breaks up families, organizations, churches, mosques, synagogues and brings movement to a halt. The road to discipleship is the road to discipline. “If any man would be my disciple,” Jesus said, “he must first deny himself.”

If you deny yourself, you will come up against opposing forces. When you decide to discipline yourself, your old behaviors are no longer attractive. Then, you have moved to the next step: You have picked up your cross. So many people want the crown, but they are running from the cross. So many people talk about Jesus and how he died for them, as though they do not have to die. It is easy for some people to talk about how Jesus paid the price on Cavalry, but when the time comes for them to pick up their cross, they believe their tithes are sufficient.

Sometimes the church, mosque and synagogue pay more attention to money than sufficing the needs of the people, so the people wonder if they are only present to give money. Leaders and ministers look like pimps. Jesus said, “Whoever would be your minister”—not let him be your pimp—but “let him be your servant.” If you make money the goal, rather than saving people, then you will lose both people and money. Jesus said, “I am going to make you a fisher of men.”

Are ministers happy because your houses are full? Are you satisfied that you have fished enough or have you stopped fishing because all the ministers needs are met, so we do not care about the people who are swimming in the sea of filth and sin?

The whole objective of Jesus was not to build a church, mosque or synagogue, but to build a community of people so that—not the walls are consecrated to God—but human beings will be a consecrated house, a temple with the indwelling spirit of the Living God, as it was when the prophets walked among us. We cover ourselves with a religious look, perfume ourselves with the odor of praise, and give to be seen of men and women, so that we can continue to indulge ourselves in wickedness yet maintain high visibility in the House of God. “If any man would be my disciple, pick up your cross.”

After asking his disciples to deny themselves and pick up their crosses, Jesus told them, “Follow me.” He did not tell them to worship him. The Bible says, “God is a spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth, for such the Father seeketh.” Jesus never taught people to worshp him. Yet, you sit around praising Jesus and doing wrong; talking about Jesus and continuing your wicked ways. Jesus said, “If any man would be my disciple,” not any “Black man” or “White man.” So, the door to him is open to everybody who is willing to deny self, then you can come as you are, but you cannot stay as you are. He said, “Come and follow me.”

You are dead in the cemetery of your flesh. This body is the grave of your spirit. This is why Jesus taught the difference between a spiritual mind and carnal mind. When you are of the carnal mind, you are living for the satisfaction of the flesh. So, a trumpet has to sound. A trumpet only means a brassy truth that will touch you in your grave and quicken the sprit of God that is already in you. That spirit rising within you will cause you to be exorcised of the demons that now control you. Whenever the man of God appears that threatens Satan’s world, Satan makes you think that he is a wicked and evil man, and you start hating a man who actually represents your rise from your grave.

[jasmine nsi]

a man of GOD. (and certainly God can use anyone)

[MsKayLander]

jasmine said:

a man of GOD. (and certainly God can use anyone)

Yes he can.. and those remarks are from Minister Louis Farrakhan.....

[lanl ns]

I have noticed a change in Min Farrakhan's speeches....

One thing I found interesting in this speech is the quote below:

“God is a spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth, for such the Father seeketh.” Jesus never taught people to worship him. Yet, you sit around praising Jesus and doing wrong; talking about Jesus and continuing your wicked ways.

We need to research that, now that I am thinking about it I never recalled Jesus asking us to give Him praise and Worship.

And the majority of our time spent in church worship and testifying is giving praise / worship to Jesus and not God.......

We cry all day long moaning Thank you Jesus and never say thank you God...............


Is there any relevance to what the Minister has stated.............

[lanl ns]

This is from the speech as well:
Satan makes you think that he is a wicked and evil man, and you start hating a man who actually represents your rise from your grave.

mmmmmmm

[Jasmine nsi]

lanl said:

I have noticed a change in Min Farrakhan's speeches....

One thing I found interesting in this speech is the quote below:

“God is a spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth, for such the Father seeketh.” Jesus never taught people to worship him. Yet, you sit around praising Jesus and doing wrong; talking about Jesus and continuing your wicked ways.

We need to research that, now that I am thinking about it I never recalled Jesus asking us to give Him praise and Worship.

And the majority of our time spent in church worship and testifying is giving praise / worship to Jesus and not God.......

We cry all day long moaning Thank you Jesus and never say thank you God...............


Is there any relevance to what the Minister has stated.............

Again, He does not believe that JESUS is the Son of GOd. So no there is no relevance in my opinion

[And Such Were Some Of You]

but who actually praise and worship Jesus? Don't we do all things THRU Him but not TO Him? Am I making sense?

[MsKayLander]

I read the entire speech and excerpted that which spoke volumnes to me... I don't agree with what he believes, but we can not deny there is a thread of truth in what he is saying....

Sometimes the church, mosque and synagogue pay more attention to money than sufficing the needs of the people, so the people wonder if they are only present to give money. Leaders and ministers look like pimps. Jesus said, “Whoever would be your minister”—not let him be your pimp—but “let him be your servant.” If you make money the goal, rather than saving people, then you will lose both people and money. Jesus said, “I am going to make you a fisher of men.”

Are ministers happy because your houses are full? Are you satisfied that you have fished enough or have you stopped fishing because all the ministers needs are met, so we do not care about the people who are swimming in the sea of filth and sin?

Question: if a person speaks truth and doesn't believe that JESUS is the son of GOD... do we totally discount everything they say?

[lanl ns]

andsuchweresomeofu said:

but who actually praise and worship Jesus? Don't we do all things THRU Him but not TO Him? Am I making sense?

You are making sense sis, that part of the speech along with other parts just struck me

[MsKayLander]

lanl said:

andsuchweresomeofu said:

but who actually praise and worship Jesus? Don't we do all things THRU Him but not TO Him? Am I making sense?

You are making sense sis, that part of the speech along with other parts just struck me

but... isn't this what some of us "Christians" do???

sit around praising Jesus and doing wrong; talking about Jesus and continuing your wicked ways

[lanl ns]

I am getting off the BB ;D..........

Misskay one thing for sure is that if God can use an animal (a donkey) to speak surely he can use the Highest evolved animal on earth to speak some thruths to us.........

And that's just my 2 cents!

[And Such Were Some Of You]

yes misskay, you are right *sigh*

Lord, Have mercy on us!