Can salvation be lost?Are we trying to make it in?

[auneeqsol]

Now I know ppl have many different beliefs concerning this issue, especially with all the different denominations out there.

I came up in holiness (the sho nuff holiness) and we were taught that just as sure as you got saved, you can lose your salvation if you dont live right. Hell will be your home (as my pastor so fearfully put it..lol)

But as I got older and start really studying the word for my self and saw that there were other saved ppl that didnt look like us and act like us but they loved the Lord I started wondering what was truly living holy and could you lose your salvation if you have accepted Jesus as your saviour and the work he did on the cross for your sins.

See our church never went to scriptures like 1 Cor 3:10-15. It was never talked about much. It was either you are walking the chalkline or you are out. There was no getting caught "in sin" and God's grace covering you because you have accepted him and you are sealed until the day of redemption.

This is an example of what we believed:

Case Scenario:

A husband and wife have a heated argument at home where the wife cursed at her husband in a moment of rage. So the wife storms out of the house and goes for a ride to cool off, without apologizing or making amends
And she gets into a car accident that claims her life, my pastor taught us that hell will be her home, whether she was saved for 2 yrs or 20 yrs. Because of the simple fact she didnt have a chance to repent or confess rather for cursing.

Now as I got older as I said, I started studying for myself and I just dont agree because the bible says "where sin abounds grace much more abounds" im paraphrasing but its something like that, and no matter what our weaknesses are his grace is sufficient for us. Now im not condoning sin or anything but we are yet flesh. Now I know some might disagree, and im eager to hear both sides of it from you all

So what do you think can we lose our salvation just like that?

And are we trying to make it in to heaven or to we already have our names written in the book of life after we confessed?

Let me know what ya think...

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Wow, this is going to be good! I have my thoughts but I will wait.......

[G3]

(Peeping through the hole in the fence looking at the group. Debating with self whether it's cool to join in. Hey G, you know how you upset people, you might want to sit this one out. But 3, you know me. I'm going over! OK G, it's your funeral. But I'll go with you only for support. Thanks 3, you never let me down).

HOP!!!

[ybrown]

There are flaws to the OSAS view. Salvation is conditional.

[auneeqsol]

Hold up!!

yall skirred? if ya skirred say ya skirred.......LOL

Nawl but for real, just jump on in, yeah it's gonna get good hopefully we can learn from one another.

And G3 you might be new, but we wont treat ya like a scrub in here..... But you'll be fine, im one for a good debate myself ( given its healthy and all ya know)

Come on in.......

[Jasmine]

I'm just gon be me*scratching head*

Uhh, just as sure as I can erase pencil lead from a paper..so can your name be erased from the book.

[anointedteacher]

I believe a person can lost their salvation. There are many scriptures to back it up, I gave over 30 NT scriptures on the JBW Board, I don't have time to look them all up, but here are a few:

Galatian was written to the believers and not the lost.... Gal 5:17-21,
I Timothy 4:1-5
Hebrews 6:4-6
Hebrewa 10:26 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remineth no more sacrifice for sins."

II Peter 2:1-22 Read II Peter 2:19-22

19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption; for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought into bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they had known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and, The sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I believe it is progressive, not automatically.... The prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32), did not leave his father's house instantly after he received his porrtion of good. When he wasted all had, he became lost and spiritually dead. v.s 32 the Father said he was dead and is alive again, was lost and is found.

Matthew 25:1-13 the 10 Virgins, 5 wise brough oil and their lamp.... 5 foolish did not bring oil... all 10 had their lamp... they all started out the same... with the same purpose, to meet the bridegroom... They all trimmed their lamp, but the five foolish did not have enough oil., so when the light went out... there wasn't any oil for the foolish virgins.

AT

[Beck]

How about we stop wondering if it can be lost and just focus on being a good ol fashioned christian, so that we dont miss heaven... ;D

[And Such Were Some Of You]

elderbeck said:

How about we stop wondering if it can be lost and just focus on being a good ol fashioned christian, so that we dont miss heaven... ;D

AMEN!!

[auneeqsol]

Yeah Beck that's cool most definitely, but christians everywhere deal with these thoughts, and we cant get around that, some ppl are plagued by these thoughts and the enemy is picking them apart because they dont know the truth.

Some ppl may feel if they do one thing wrong they are next in line for the lightning strike, So I think its also important to be able to rightly divide and to share with ppl what the real truth so the devil wont have any playing ground.

I think the Body Of Christ needs to be equipped to answer questions such as these...my opinion.

[krazeeboi]

What is our assurance of salvation? That's a pertinent question here.

[And Such Were Some Of You]

krazeeboi said:

What is our assurance of salvation? That's a pertinent question here.

Excellent Question!

[hezsweetiknow]

krazeeboi said:

What is our assurance of salvation? That's a pertinent question here.

that if we confess our sins, he is faithful to forgive us. I John 1:9

[anointedteacher]

Perfect answer

[G3]

The doctrine of "Unconditional Security" paved the way to the doctrine of "Inclusion". Both doctrine discredit the "God of Justice".

Hey A, 1 Cor. 3 is a "foundational" chapter and the we must understand in contexts of that chapter what the Holy Spirit is saying through Paul. What is "The day"? Is it the "Day of Judgement" before the throne? Or is it the day of testing and trials in this life of one's work and motives. Testings thats developing the characteristics and maturing the friuts of the bornagain spiritman.

What about the many in that day shall say they did all these great works in His name. Yet He knew them not. The "works" were an after fact. A close the books and on to the next work. A documented biblical Christ taught subject. But yet He knew them not.

You can't stumble into this "Eternal Life". It has to be found. Isn't this what Jesus taught? Plus, I like Beck's reply. Said and done.

Christ is the assurance of salvation. He is the eternal security as you "abide" in Him. The "in Him" is a "state of being" that is all "Him" consuming. But our "works by faith" is an outward daily practical living in word, walk and deed that demonstrate and testify to the world that I am a "new creation in Him" that is born of Love (another state of being). That of the sinner man. He practice and mimic the works of their father for both walk and abide in darkness. But the children of the Light will walk and abide in that Light and their works shall be manifested. In that day of testings and trails, His works shall declare his rightiousness because they will bring glory and honor to their Father and Lord. His foundation is Love. Love that abides forever and seek not the praise. Because of Love they shall decrease as He is increased. With that same Love we are compelled to seek to keep His commandments. It is not grievious and unpleasent And that commandment is Love without reservation towards the Godhead and to mankind. He that do those and teaches others to do the same shall be great in the Kingdom of the Father and his or her name shall be spoken and declared by the angels.